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Post by topdollar on Apr 24, 2023 13:03:29 GMT -5
Well, I know who I'm hoping will be the final Prime release... Didn't think there would be any chance because I figured we were getting a duo like the Assassins or the Mongols... Since that isn't the case, I will keep the faith... And that's a good thing!  Keep the faith...and feel the BANG! |
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Post by Gunslinger on Apr 24, 2023 13:33:34 GMT -5
I'm not asking this to pick on anyone but how powerful do you guys want DDP to be? He's already got a +3 finisher. Realistically, DDP was good but how many years as a top guy did he have? 5?
Is it the art in the CAC set you object to?
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Post by topdollar on Apr 24, 2023 13:58:13 GMT -5
I'm not asking this to pick on anyone but how powerful do you guys want DDP to be? He's already got a +3 finisher. Realistically, DDP was good but how many years as a top guy did he have? 5? Is it the art in the CAC set you object to? If I can speak for Pariah, the art doesn't look like the 3-time, 3-time, 3-time WCW Champion that stood up to the nWo. The black & white art looks more like the DDP that I remember.Also: Maybe change his pin rating from 6(3) to 5(2). That makes him more like the man who single handedly fought the nWo while Sting was in the balcony. Am I right, Pariah? |
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Post by on_the_edge on Apr 24, 2023 15:19:23 GMT -5
I'm not asking this to pick on anyone but how powerful do you guys want DDP to be? He's already got a +3 finisher. Realistically, DDP was good but how many years as a top guy did he have? 5? Is it the art in the CAC set you object to? Looking for the outside on this it may be about more than the finisher. Offense ratings, ie a 3 instead of a 2, and defensive ratings, ie a hurt instead of a down, might be part of it. I know in past I have played guys that had a nice finisher, but their overall card felt a bit light. It resulted in losing offensive momentum and/or having issues getting back on offense. For me, if I want a card stronger, or even weaker as the case may be, I just adjust to fit my needs. I do not do it a lot but have done it now and then. |
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Post by guiltyparty on Apr 24, 2023 15:41:25 GMT -5
I'm not asking this to pick on anyone but how powerful do you guys want DDP to be? He's already got a +3 finisher. Realistically, DDP was good but how many years as a top guy did he have? 5? Is it the art in the CAC set you object to? For me, it's a question of how DDP performs against his historic rival within the game, Randy Savage. I used the play-by-play simulator to run a hundred matches between CAC DDP and base set color Savage, and Savage won 72 of them. I would like to see a version of Page that has parity with Savage, or at least that got his win percentage against him up in the 40s, instead of hovering near the Mendoza line. |
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Post by malicelover on Apr 24, 2023 15:53:11 GMT -5
I'm not asking this to pick on anyone but how powerful do you guys want DDP to be? He's already got a +3 finisher. Realistically, DDP was good but how many years as a top guy did he have? 5? Is it the art in the CAC set you object to? For me, it's a question of how DDP performs against his historic rival within the game, Randy Savage. I used the play-by-play simulator to run a hundred matches between CAC DDP and base set color Savage, and Savage won 72 of them. I would like to see a version of Page that has parity with Savage, or at least that got his win percentage against him up in the 40s, instead of hovering near the Mendoza line. But, guiltyparty, I think that Savage card is a career retrospective. You are talking about a guy who held the WWF Championship two times, the first time of which was a reign over a year, he was an Intercontinental Champion, and when Savage was winning the WCW World Title, Page was wrestling for the lowest tier title, the TV Title and later the U.S. Title. I think to assume that a card that references DDP's entire career vs. one that references Savage's entire career 1 out of every 4 times makes sense to me - more than 2 out of every 5, IMO. |
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Post by guiltyparty on Apr 24, 2023 16:06:49 GMT -5
For me, it's a question of how DDP performs against his historic rival within the game, Randy Savage. I used the play-by-play simulator to run a hundred matches between CAC DDP and base set color Savage, and Savage won 72 of them. I would like to see a version of Page that has parity with Savage, or at least that got his win percentage against him up in the 40s, instead of hovering near the Mendoza line. But, guiltyparty, I think that Savage card is a career retrospective. You are talking about a guy who held the WWF Championship two times, the first time of which was a reign over a year, he was an Intercontinental Champion, and when Savage was winning the WCW World Title, Page was wrestling for the lowest tier title, the TV Title and later the U.S. Title. I think to assume that a card that references DDP's entire career vs. one that references Savage's entire career 1 out of every 4 times makes sense to me - more than 2 out of every 5, IMO. That's a valid position to take. But, since we are now getting variants that represent very specific eras of guy's careers I don't think it's unreasonable to want a DDP that reflects the 4 or so year period when he was arguably as big a star as anyone in one of the two major promotions. I'd also be equally satisfied, as far as my desire to be able to recreate the rivalry, with a late career version of Savage, say post '96. Though I think most would prefer a leveled up Page to a leveled down Savage. |
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Post by Pariah on Apr 24, 2023 19:59:40 GMT -5
Being totally honest to the point of absolute transparency... I don't have major issues with the stats on the CAC version of DDP... A tweak or two might be nice to put him firmly in the upper tier, but that might be a biased opinion... After all, he is one of my all-time favorites... HOWEVER... I will never be satisfied with the current artwork... It's a simple fact - How many Legends do not have artwork that reflects them in their prime? Or at least within the time period that the card itself reflects? Thinking the answer is none... EXCEPT for Diamond Dallas Page.
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Post by CanadianPitbull on Apr 25, 2023 5:31:27 GMT -5
How much input did DDP have over his card? Was that artwork he had to sign off on? I like it but just curious as to how the process goes with artwork and cards overall. I figured the wrestlers or their family has final say in most cases.
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Post by Vegas on Apr 25, 2023 7:24:25 GMT -5
How much input did DDP have over his card? Was that artwork he had to sign off on? I like it but just curious as to how the process goes with artwork and cards overall. I figured the wrestlers or their family has final say in most cases. I don't know for sure about LOW (and even on the Indy brand I am usually not to involved in the artwork,) but I think for LOW their approval is only really necessary if they specifically request it. I know that is the case at least for the Indy brand where only a few names such as Matt Cardona and Kevin Blackwood have made that request. It is not unusual to sign a wrestler and, even if you get their contact info as well, to never hear back from them despite multiple attempts when trying to confirm their offense for the back of the cards. So, if we had to wait first for approval on everybody's art, many cards would just never get released. |
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