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Post by Vegas on Aug 31, 2023 21:54:58 GMT -5
THE ACC votes tomorrow on whether to expand by adding Standford, California, and SMU.
12 of the 15 ACC schools need to vote yes but Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, and NC State have been opposed to expansion due to the long-distance travel concerns and due to concerns it will hurt existing ACC schools economically by having to further divide up revenue (although Standford and California are willing to take greatly reduced shares and SMU is willing to tale no TV money for 7 years.) North Carolina State, however, is reportedly wavering on its no stance and could vote yes.
We will find out what happens tomorrow.
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Post by TTX on Sept 2, 2023 18:31:14 GMT -5
Sad to see the Pac-12 go. Eventually it's going to be the Big 2...only question will be when and how many schools they take.
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Post by on_the_edge on Sept 2, 2023 19:13:08 GMT -5
From Pac-12 to 2-Pac
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Post by Vegas on Sept 3, 2023 0:41:24 GMT -5
and 1 of those two is my undergrad school Wazzu I seriously think OSU and Wazzu sould keep the PAC brand alive so they can control all the assets instead of disolving the conference and having to split the assets with the 10 other schools who left them behind. in 2-3 years the new PAC-12: Washington State Oregon State San Diego State Boise State Fresno State UNLV Hawaii Rice Tulane Nevada Colorado State Wyoming I think some of the schools who left (especially those who shamelessly sold thensleves out such as Stanford and California) will find out, as they say, the grass is not always greener on the other side. |
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Post by paul on Sept 3, 2023 1:34:40 GMT -5
and 1 of those two is my undergrad school Wazzu I seriously think OSU and Wazzu sould keep the PAC brand alive so they can control all the assets instead of disolving the conference and having to split the assets with the 10 other schools who left them behind. in 2-3 years the new PAC-12: Washington State Oregon State San Diego State Boise State Fresno State UNLV Hawaii Rice Tulane Nevada Colorado State Wyoming I think some of the schools who left (especially those who shamelessly sold thensleves out such as Stanford and California) will find out, as they say, the grass is not always greener on the other side. Hi Zeke: While I would love to see your vision come to fruition the big question is do any of those schools want to go through the headaches of leaving their existing conference to join another one that's now at the same level. TV money is all schools seem to care about now and at this point I doubt the Pac-12 could get much of a better TV deal than the Mountain West or the American Athletic. It would be great to see Oregon State and Washington State stick it to the defectors though. I agree that Cal and Stanford could regret that jump to the ACC. If Florida State is successful in their campaign to get out of the last 10-11 years of the ACC grant of rights contract, and that is a big if, the other big name ACC schools would likely try the same thing. While the SEC has said they're not interested in expanding any further I'm sure their attitude would change if FSU, Clemson, Miami and North Carolina suddenly became available. If this scenario played out that would likely be the end of the ACC as we know it and Cal and Stanford would be right back to where they are now. |
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Post by on_the_edge on Sept 3, 2023 3:49:08 GMT -5
If they could talk Gonzaga into adding football they would be interesting addition.
Just to show how out of touch I've been with college sports over the last few years I was thinking they should go after Colorado. Of course Colorado are in the Pac 12 but returning to Big 12.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 3, 2023 11:51:46 GMT -5
and 1 of those two is my undergrad school Wazzu I seriously think OSU and Wazzu sould keep the PAC brand alive so they can control all the assets instead of disolving the conference and having to split the assets with the 10 other schools who left them behind. in 2-3 years the new PAC-12: Washington State Oregon State San Diego State Boise State Fresno State UNLV Hawaii Rice Tulane Nevada Colorado State Wyoming I think some of the schools who left (especially those who shamelessly sold thensleves out such as Stanford and California) will find out, as they say, the grass is not always greener on the other side. Hi Zeke: While I would love to see your vision come to fruition the big question is do any of those schools want to go through the headaches of leaving their existing conference to join another one that's now at the same level. TV money is all schools seem to care about now and at this point I doubt the Pac-12 could get much of a better TV deal than the Mountain West or the American Athletic. It would be great to see Oregon State and Washington State stick it to the defectors though. I have been following this topic closely as I actually have degress from both a PAC-12 school (Washington State) and from a Mountain West school (UNLV.) First, it would not be the same as the Mountain West as Tulane and Rice (both were approached earlier this year about possible PAC-12 membership) are not Mountain West schools. Why possibly keep the PAC-12 alive? two answers: money and branding money and branding for WSU and OSU As I mentioned, right now WSU and OSU after this year control 100% of the PAC-12's assets but if they dissolve the conference then those assets get split 12 ways. WSU and OSU however will also have all the liabilities and there are some liabilities such as the debt accrued during the recent conference mismanagement of Larry Scott. If the assets outweigh the liabilities, it might make economic sense for those two schools to keep the conference alive and that is what is currently being determined. As it was recently said, at the end of the day, this decision will not be made so much by the school presidents and the athletic departments but instead by the financial directors and the lawyers. money and branding for incoming schools. You mentioned TV money. Right now, WSU as a PAC-12 school gets almost $30 million/year in media dollars as a PAC-12 school but the Mountain West schools each only received $5 million in media dollars last year. Would these schools making $5 million/year suddenly make almost $30 million/year in a revamped PAC-12? Probably not, but the PAC-12 brand does have better value and a better history so they could expect to make more than they currently make and once the rediculously high exit fees expire in a year or two then making the jump would make sense for them. Also instead of dissolving either the PAC-12 or the Mountain West outright, WSU and OSU have already discussed a reverse merger option with the Mountain West. I dont know all thos possibe details other than the current Mountain West Commissioner Gloria Nevarez, who was actually a previous Pac-12 executive, would become the new PAC-12 Commissioner. |
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Post by paul on Sept 3, 2023 13:41:28 GMT -5
Hi Zeke: While I would love to see your vision come to fruition the big question is do any of those schools want to go through the headaches of leaving their existing conference to join another one that's now at the same level. TV money is all schools seem to care about now and at this point I doubt the Pac-12 could get much of a better TV deal than the Mountain West or the American Athletic. It would be great to see Oregon State and Washington State stick it to the defectors though. I have been following this topic closely as I actually have degress from both a PAC-12 school (Washington State) and from a Mountain West school (UNLV.) First, it would not be the same as the Mountain West as Tulane and Rice (both were approached earlier this year about possible PAC-12 membership) are not Mountain West schools. Why possibly keep the PAC-12 alive? two answers: money and branding money and branding for WSU and OSU As I mentioned, right now WSU and OSU after this year control 100% of the PAC-12's assets but if they dissolve the conference then those assets get split 12 ways. WSU and OSU however will also have all the liabilities and there are some liabilities such as the debt accrued during the recent conference mismanagement of Larry Scott. If the assets outweigh the liabilities, it might make economic sense for those two schools to keep the conference alive and that is what is currently being determined. As it was recently said, at the end of the day, this decision will not be made so much by the school presidents and the athletic departments but instead by the financial directors and the lawyers. money and branding for incoming schools. You mentioned TV money. Right now, WSU as a PAC-12 school gets almost $30 million/year in media dollars as a PAC-12 school but the Mountain West schools each only received $5 million in media dollars last year. Would these schools making $5 million/year suddenly make almost $30 million/year in a revamped PAC-12? Probably not, but the PAC-12 brand does have better value and a better history so they could expect to make more than they currently make and once the rediculously high exit fees expire in a year or two then making the jump would make sense for them. Also instead of dissolving either the PAC-12 or the Mountain West outright, WSU and OSU have already discussed a reverse merger option with the Mountain West. I dont know all thos possibe details other than the current Mountain West Commissioner Gloria Nevarez, who was actually a previous Pac-12 executive, would become the new PAC-12 Commissioner. Hi Zeke: Obviously you know more about this than I do as you've clearly been following it more closely. I also want to see OSU and WSU keep the Pac-12 alive. If they can justify it financially they should definitely do everything they can to keep it going. In terms of the TV money while I agree that the Pac-12 has more history and prestige behind it I question whether TV networks/streaming services will care about that now that all the big name programs responsible for that history and prestige have left the conference. The Pac-12 might still get a better deal than the Mountain West and the other mid-major conferences but not by much. A lot of schools could be reluctant to make the jump without certainty on the TV deal. Of course making even 2 or 3 million more would probably be enough justification for them to make the jump. Also, for the record I'm aware that Rice and Tulane aren't members of the MW which is why I mentioned the American Athletic Conference (their current conference) in my original response. That merger idea between the Mountain West and Pac-12 sounds like a great idea as it would create a solid foundation for them to pitch to the TV networks and remove any uncertainty schools might have about how much money is involved in the TV deal. |
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Post by Vegas on Sept 8, 2023 17:35:50 GMT -5
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Post by TTX on Sept 8, 2023 18:39:37 GMT -5
They should get them since they've stuck around.
Mind I think they'll mostly just take the Mountain West and hope for a decent TV deal.
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