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Post by Gunslinger on Oct 22, 2010 8:26:03 GMT -5
There are no hard consonants, which makes it sound soft. The "t" and "k" sounds are especially important if someone ever wants to get over in wrestling. The name "Tyler Black" has both; it's tailor made for wrestling. It's impossible to say the name "Seth Rollins" and sound tough or aggressive. It sounds more like a baseball player name than a wrestler. Thinks this seems silly? Think of ever major star in wrestling and you'll be hard pressed to come up with more than a handful of names that don't follow that pattern. I was going to try to be productive on my day off and do yardwork but instead I think I'll obsess over this t and k thing. |
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Post by lucifer on Oct 22, 2010 17:49:39 GMT -5
Not to be a jackass, but I don't really see how Seth Rollins is any worse than a name that he got by combining his favorite character from Fight Club and his favorite character from Harry Potter. So I'm assuming "Seth Rollins" was the brainchild of someone's favorite character from Boiler Room and their favorite over-rated shortstop from Philly?  ? And for what it's worth, I'm buying into the whole "t" & "k" theory  |
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Post by lucifer on Oct 22, 2010 17:51:10 GMT -5
Yardwork s***s, this is much more productive...and entertaining!
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Post by pikemojo on Oct 22, 2010 21:18:21 GMT -5
Not to be a jackass, but I don't really see how Seth Rollins is any worse than a name that he got by combining his favorite character from Fight Club and his favorite character from Harry Potter. Couldn't agree more. It's simple psychology. People get used to something - they get attracted to something , and when it changes, their natural first instinct is to crap on it. I like the name Tyler Black too but it's not like it's some home run wrestling name. The name Tyler sounds a lot like Taylor, a girls name. Black is pretty generic. I'd be willing to bet if his name was never Tyler Black to begin with, was something else, and changed to "Tyler Black", some people would crap on that too. I like the name Seth Rollins. Henry Rollins of Black Flag and Rollins band (probably where they got the idea) /is was one of the toughest guys out there. That's what I think of when I hear "Rollins". Plus, they already have Tyler Reks. I am actually gonna have to agree with you here. When I hear Rollins I think of Henry Rollins. And Henry Rollins was definitely not a softy. So it makes some sense but I still do think the name sounds kinda soft. If the first name wasn't Seth it might be better. If you try to say the name tough it sounds like you are trying to sound snake like. Go ahead. Try it. SSSSSSSettttth Rollinssssss |
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Post by Shon Maxx on Oct 23, 2010 4:34:22 GMT -5
I personally like Tyler Black better, and it has nothing to do with T's and K's.
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Post by jrgoldman on Nov 5, 2010 23:13:58 GMT -5
I'm late coming back to the party, and while I find the idea of hard consonants and stop plosives in wrestling an intriguing one, I think we can think of plenty of wrestlers that don't have them in their names. Looking at the current WWE roster, 20 out of 49 listed people on raw have no t's or k's altogether. This includes Daniel Bryan, the US champion, John Cena, the focus of the show, and The Miz and Sheamus, the two most heavily pushed younger members of the roster. Smackdown! has a sligtly lower percentage, with 12 out of 40 roster members, but again, the intercontinental champion, Dolph Ziggler, the number one contender, Edge, and The Big Show, one of the faces of the program, all lack the letters or sounds of T and K. Again, I am not doing this to be contrary or a troll, I just think that stop plosives and hard consonants are less important than we are giving them credit for. I think that any wrestler can get over with any reasonable name if they connect with the crowd enough, barring some woeful exceptions, such as Stone Cold's original name being Chilly McFreeze (which has the all important k sound itself  ). Writing this, I actually thought of something interesting which we could explore further. The first three names I thought of to counter your theory were Jeff Hardy, John Cena, and John Morrison, all of whom have been immensely popular throughout their careers with women and children. Do you think a lack of hard consonants, and thus a lack of the subconscious "hard man" attachment, leads these wrestlers to be more well received within these demographics? If so, I think Seth Rollins is an even better name for the former Tyler Black, as I could easily see him taking the roster spot that formerly belonged to Jeff Hardy. Just some food for thought. JR. |
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Post by tystates on Nov 5, 2010 23:15:51 GMT -5
Did you really go thru the roster and count up the different letter combinations?
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Post by jrgoldman on Nov 6, 2010 0:42:56 GMT -5
I did, very superficially. It didn't take very long, I just went to the roster webpage. I'm sure I made a mistake here or there.
JR.
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Post by marktaggart on Nov 6, 2010 1:35:48 GMT -5
jrgoldman is right, because I was only partially serious and simply mostly amusing myself with that idea that I invented off the top of my head. ;D Someone finally called me on my BS.
There is some merit to it though, I think. If I wanted to string it out further I'd just say you could go to the nicknames: "Charismatic Enigma", "Celtic Warrior", "The Champ" (as in "The Champ is here"), "Rated R Superstar", ect.
The harder sounding names appeal more to the younger male demographic, and the softer sounding names appeal to the women and children? That's a very interesting angle to add, Mr. Goldman. Very possibly something there after all.
I really just think the name "Seth" doesn't sound like a pro wrestler's...."sports entertainer's" name.
I guess we're running short of "normal guy" names since they don't like let people have the same first name and there's already a Tyler. Truthfully, Tyler Reks is way too close to Tyler Black, so the name had to be changed. I just don't like the first name they picked.
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Post by lucifer on Nov 6, 2010 8:23:37 GMT -5
I'm late coming back to the party, and while I find the idea of hard consonants and stop plosives in wrestling an intriguing one, I think we can think of plenty of wrestlers that don't have them in their names. Looking at the current WWE roster, 20 out of 49 listed people on raw have no t's or k's altogether. This includes Daniel Bryan, the US champion, John Cena, the focus of the show, and The Miz and Sheamus, the two most heavily pushed younger members of the roster. Smackdown! has a sligtly lower percentage, with 12 out of 40 roster members, but again, the intercontinental champion, Dolph Ziggler, the number one contender, Edge, and The Big Show, one of the faces of the program, all lack the letters or sounds of T and K. Again, I am not doing this to be contrary or a troll, I just think that stop plosives and hard consonants are less important than we are giving them credit for. I think that any wrestler can get over with any reasonable name if they connect with the crowd enough, barring some woeful exceptions, such as Stone Cold's original name being Chilly McFreeze (which has the all important k sound itself ). Writing this, I actually thought of something interesting which we could explore further. The first three names I thought of to counter your theory were Jeff Hardy, John Cena, and John Morrison, all of whom have been immensely popular throughout their careers with women and children. Do you think a lack of hard consonants, and thus a lack of the subconscious "hard man" attachment, leads these wrestlers to be more well received within these demographics? If so, I think Seth Rollins is an even better name for the former Tyler Black, as I could easily see him taking the roster spot that formerly belonged to Jeff Hardy. Just some food for thought. JR. Interesting theory & a perfect example to support it would be "Shawn Michaels", immensely popular with women & children, yet let's not forget his nicknames HB "K" & the Heartbrea"K" "K"id! Just to add fuel to the fire, I'll throw this out there as well: the greatest wrestler ever? Bre"T" Hi"T"man Har"t"! Sometimes I've got way too much time on my hands... |
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