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Post by Knapik on Mar 12, 2008 12:22:59 GMT -5
EDIT: Come to think of it, Shaka has another great point. The Early Classics set was created according to the "New Beginning" model--more "quirky" mechanics, and a higher power level in general (notwithstanding "supercards" like Omega '79 or Torin Caelum '74). It might make more sense to hold off on those until people just coming into the system via online are comfortable with the new mechanics introduced slowly from Bishop Hell and Incredible Badger in 2088 to, say, the Genesis team in 2100 - 2102. Honestly, I don't think the new mechanics introduced are complicated in the least; and I can't fathom they would make the game harder to play. You only have to be told what 'add 1' does once, and you'll know forever. I don't see a learning curve. |
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Post by Mr. Hyde on Mar 12, 2008 12:45:53 GMT -5
Early Classics.
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Post by Mr. Hyde on Mar 12, 2008 12:48:12 GMT -5
EDIT: Come to think of it, Shaka has another great point. The Early Classics set was created according to the "New Beginning" model--more "quirky" mechanics, and a higher power level in general (notwithstanding "supercards" like Omega '79 or Torin Caelum '74). It might make more sense to hold off on those until people just coming into the system via online are comfortable with the new mechanics introduced slowly from Bishop Hell and Incredible Badger in 2088 to, say, the Genesis team in 2100 - 2102. Honestly, I don't think the new mechanics introduced are complicated in the least; and I can't fathom they would make the game harder to play. You only have to be told what 'add 1' does once, and you'll know forever. I don't see a learning curve. CotG is totally the easiest game to learn that I have ever played. Heck, from just reading the old website, and reading people's fed results, I was able to tell basically exactly how the game worked. And that was before I had ever even purchased the game! |
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Post by BDS on Mar 12, 2008 13:19:04 GMT -5
Playing devil's advocate on the ease of the rules: When you hit an add 1 move and the opponent rolls pin, do you add the token before the pin roll, after the pin roll, or not at all?
You can go grab people who have been playing COTG for decades and find them with differing opinions on how it should be played. If I remember right, you can find official set authors with differing opinions on it.
Now, is it an overly complicated mechanic? No, not at all. But it's more complicated than the core mechanic from the first set, and it probably would be easier on a person who's entirely new to the COTG universe to be weaned in slowly - core mechanic first, then tag and dq moves with invasion, then the roll finishers, then the add 1s. If you throw new people at EC and expect them to take all of those rules in at once, maybe it's a bit overwhelming for some people.
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Post by Tournament Master on Mar 12, 2008 14:30:12 GMT -5
Ahhhh, the old Add 1 Pin rule dilemma. I completely disagree with Tom's ruling on this, as I can't see how the Eye Cleaver can have more long term damage in a match than the End of All Things.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2008 14:36:13 GMT -5
Personally i add it to the pin attempt before rolling the pin. Also i add them with each pin attempt.
Say Star Warrior and Vengance wrestle. Each time Vengance apply's the eye cleaver. It gets added to Star Warriors pin attempt roll.
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Post by BDS on Mar 12, 2008 15:49:55 GMT -5
Ahhhh, the old Add 1 Pin rule dilemma. I completely disagree with Tom's ruling on this, as I can't see how the Eye Cleaver can have more long term damage in a match than the End of All Things. The Eye Cleaver has as much of a long term detriment to a wrestler's stamina as kicking out of a pin attempt does. So does kicking out of the Eye Cleaver. You're just doing it twice. See? The rules are complicated! War Games FTW! |
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Post by Knapik on Mar 12, 2008 16:21:20 GMT -5
Well I think WarGames also  |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Mar 12, 2008 20:03:29 GMT -5
Great! War Games it is!
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Post by MikeMcKinney on Mar 12, 2008 20:11:10 GMT -5
I add 1 before the roll on level 3 defense, and IF they happen to roll PIN and kick out I add another. The move put them down so you could have a chance to pin the opponent So why wouldn't you add one after the move!
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