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Post by Splattercat on Jul 16, 2010 13:10:55 GMT -5
Hey, don't start if you can't finish. I was up for a bit of a debate, but forget it if you can't take a little heat.I don't know why you thought so but I don't think anyone was about to get ugly over it again. And yet when say I've nothing to add things INSTANTLY turn combative. Thank you for proving my point. We're now off-topic. It's not like this is a publicly traded company. Seriously, what do you want, a prospectus? " Tom I would really like to see the books on the numbers " If you really read the whole thread (and some of the facebook would be good too) you would see that the horse was already beaten and now you have moved on to pounding sand. No. But once again you've proven what I said about people taking an idea as some sort of attack (dead horse? Pounding sand?). I didn't say ANYTHING about seeing Tom's books. NOTHING. I said it's information and insight only HE has full working knowledge of. So as much as you'd like to say you think you know, You don't. Feel free to take that as an attack, but unless you have access to all Tom's numbers you DON'T know. That's a fact. Dispute if you like. Mike M has more insight than you, but even HE admitted multiple times that he doesn't have Tom's numbers, so he can be as confident as he likes, but he doesn't know. The point was to put the idea out there to Tom. For SOME reason, you've now taken offense to it. Why exactly? If you're not going to buy them why do you care? The most appropriate response from your point of view would have been "I don't think it'll happen but by all means run it by him." I'm okay with that position because that's a perfectly valid position. But no, once again we come back to the "Get in or get out" mentality. Do you have any idea how many games I've seen simply thrust a new change on it's fanbase with a "We know you liked it how it was, but this is how it is now, go away if you don't like it" tag attached to it? More than you apparently. Once and for all, since people have a hard time understanding: I'm not saying the game SHOULDN'T go Colour. So stop treating me like an enemy to your precious change. Colour is necessary, I understand that. I am behind that. What I'm suggesting is a limited 'in addition to' to see if there is sufficient interest beyond what is here. Because not every person who buys COTG is on this website and even those that are, not everyone voiced their opinion in here. If you disagree with my idea, that's fine. As I said, I forwarded it to Tom and if Tom says "Nah, not interested", I'm not going to disagree with him over it or press the issue. I actually don't even expect to get a response. But from your point of view, I've already sent the idea to him so 'the damage is done' so to speak. I don't care about the outcome either way. I just think it's ridiculous that people would be so vehemently opposed to something that A: they don't have any interest in, and B: isn't actually any of their concern.
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Post by Red Headed Stepchild on Jul 16, 2010 13:24:36 GMT -5
And still you haven't trully read this thread or anything that I or Mike just posted. When you came out with the "I'm taking my ball home , so there" attitude after saying this is going to get ugly is why I felt the need. Forget it. BTW, I was in here arguing for a B&W PDF set for days. That is how I know you don't know what you are talking about.
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Post by Splattercat on Jul 16, 2010 13:37:11 GMT -5
And still you haven't trully read this thread or anything that I or Mike just posted. When you came out with the "I'm taking my ball home , so there" attitude after saying this is going to get ugly is why I felt the need. Forget it. BTW, I was in here arguing for a B&W PDF set for days. That is how I know you don't know what you are talking about. Would you care to quote where I said anything about a PDF..? Would you care to cease supporting my initial point about things degrading by saying things like "taking my ball and going home"... This is why I lack interest in debating with you. The second I say things will turn ugly, they do. Rather than say "I'm sorry you feel that way, I don't think anyone would have attacked you about it" you attacked me about it, and you continue to. I didn't come here to fight with anyone and I attempted to leave before one started, but then you felt the overwhelming need to call me out. Why are you being so defensive? Why are you treating me like an enemy when I'm supporting an idea you yourself attempted but in a possibly different way? You make very little sense and show very little knowledge of basic debate etiquette. If you'd like to drop the posturing this conversation could go much better.
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Post by du5tin on Jul 16, 2010 13:42:45 GMT -5
I think the mail has already ran today...
Maybe tomorrow for me? :-(
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Post by Red Headed Stepchild on Jul 16, 2010 13:59:21 GMT -5
And still you haven't trully read this thread or anything that I or Mike just posted. When you came out with the "I'm taking my ball home , so there" attitude after saying this is going to get ugly is why I felt the need. Forget it. BTW, I was in here arguing for a B&W PDF set for days. That is how I know you don't know what you are talking about. Would you care to quote where I said anything about a PDF..? Would you care to cease supporting my initial point about things degrading by saying things like "taking my ball and going home"... This is why I lack interest in debating with you. The second I say things will turn ugly, they do. Rather than say "I'm sorry you feel that way, I don't think anyone would have attacked you about it" you attacked me about it, and you continue to. I didn't come here to fight with anyone and I attempted to leave before one started, but then you felt the overwhelming need to call me out. Why are you being so defensive? Why are you treating me like an enemy when I'm supporting an idea you yourself attempted but in a possibly different way? You make very little sense and show very little knowledge of basic debate etiquette. If you'd like to drop the posturing this conversation could go much better. All I am saying is Tom has seen this thread and has talked with people personally at G-con just a few days ago. So he knows the issue. I have seen posts about these conversations here and on Swarms board. Now if he doesn't even want to get into the possibility of PDFs, why in the world would he go to printing? Also, as I said before, after thinking it over , Endgame is silver.I still have my B&W Endgame but it doesn't matter, I know him to be silver.So from my end there isn't a point to it anymore.
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Post by Red Headed Stepchild on Jul 16, 2010 14:00:19 GMT -5
Was this something that came out of his mouth as a possibility? oh no no. I was just saying I hope he doesnt. I've never heard that discussed That is good, I would hate that.
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Post by Splattercat on Jul 16, 2010 14:22:16 GMT -5
Would you care to quote where I said anything about a PDF..? Would you care to cease supporting my initial point about things degrading by saying things like "taking my ball and going home"... This is why I lack interest in debating with you. The second I say things will turn ugly, they do. Rather than say "I'm sorry you feel that way, I don't think anyone would have attacked you about it" you attacked me about it, and you continue to. I didn't come here to fight with anyone and I attempted to leave before one started, but then you felt the overwhelming need to call me out. Why are you being so defensive? Why are you treating me like an enemy when I'm supporting an idea you yourself attempted but in a possibly different way? You make very little sense and show very little knowledge of basic debate etiquette. If you'd like to drop the posturing this conversation could go much better. All I am saying is Tom has seen this thread and has talked with people personally at G-con just a few days ago. So he knows the issue. I have seen posts about these conversations here and on Swarms board. Now if he doesn't even want to get into the possibility of PDFs, why in the world would he go to printing? Also, as I said before, after thinking it over , Endgame is silver.I still have my B&W Endgame but it doesn't matter, I know him to be silver.So from my end there isn't a point to it anymore. Personally, I think PDFs are plagued by the thought that you could make a single sale and everyone has access...I know it's not as extreme as THAT, but still, it's not a completely ignorable point. Printed cards however, if there is sufficient interest, do not suffer from that particular cavaet. They suffer from the cost of printing/storing cavaet instead and if there is sufficient interest (I'm not saying Tom needs to generate interest), he can make the sales seperate from the colour release and delay their availability to encourage those resistant to join in on the colour. However, this is all moot if it turns out that there isn't enough interest. The terms "Limited Edition" "Collectors Item" and "While Supplies Last" can be a very effective hook for something that was just said isn't going to happen. As I mentioned though, if Tom responded (or didn't) and said "I thought of that and it doesn't seem viable", I would accept that. it's not something he has to do, or even has to consider. It's just something to consider..
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Post by du5tin on Jul 16, 2010 14:35:59 GMT -5
I GOT 2125 in the mail. Review to follow when I pick my jaw off the floor.
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Post by Wraith on Jul 16, 2010 14:45:34 GMT -5
You know going back to something someone said earlier that color was the natural evolution of the game, I gotta question - will Legends 2126 be in 3D? Cause that would be awesome especially if Phantasy or She Devil got an update!
I'm starting the movement right now! Legends 2126 in 3D!!!
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Post by Crimson Cross on Jul 16, 2010 14:47:25 GMT -5
I GOT 2125 in the mail. Review to follow when I pick my jaw off the floor. Like I have said to you Dustin and a few others... B&W is classic, but Color is the New Classic! I still love B&W but I really love the new era of Color and the change is good...
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