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Post by wCw_Nitro on Oct 10, 2012 3:34:01 GMT -5
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Post by pikemojo on Oct 10, 2012 11:07:08 GMT -5
Weird list. Good idea but it is odd in the way it is put together. Razor Ramon is listed twice at #6 and Mr. Perfect and Curt Hennig are listed separately. Really weird.
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Post by wCw_Nitro on Oct 10, 2012 18:23:13 GMT -5
The way I understand the listing is that two people (a guy by name of thunder and another called lightning) created their own separate lists then combined them. #20 with #20, #19 with #19 and so on. That's my interpretation anyway.
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Post by maddog1981 on Oct 10, 2012 19:21:53 GMT -5
I strongly dislike this list. I'm just going to go name by name and give my thoughts on the person.
Lance Storm: Okay, quite simply, this list loses any shred of credibility by even mentioning Lance Storm. Quite frankly, only an idiot would put a world title on Lance Storm let alone the WWE Title. Storm doesn't have the charisma, he doesn't work interesting enough matches and he honestly he isn't as good in the ring as his reputation. He probably achieved more than he deserved in the WWE. Had it been the 80s, he would've never sniffed a championship belt.
Hardcore Holly: Really? Holly is what he is. A career mid-carder that achieved as high as a mid-carder can during a long term run with the company. He won the I-C belt when it meant something, he won the tag titles when it meant something. Solid career, never should've sniffed a world championship.
Tito Santana: He really got as high up the card as someone like Santana could go. I don't think he had the personality to be the world champion.
Shelton Benjamin: Meh, I could maybe see it. I don't think he was ever over enough to get there. And he really started to trail off as a worker as the years went on.
Jerry Lawler: Too far past his prime by the time he got to the WWE.
William Regal: I don't believe that his character works on the world title level. He's a great secondary title holder but I don't think he could draw at the top.
Lex Luger: Luger's problem was that he was too much of a WCW talent to work in the WWE world. He just didn't fit. His style was wrong, his mentality was wrong, his strengths just didn't work in the WWE.
Vader: They botched Vader too much for him to be a credible world champion. I think he was a big miss overall and that they didn't get how to use Vader properly.
Billy Gunn: Not touching that one.
Ricky Steamboat: I recently watched the 1989 NWA Television. He was really just kind of lame and he ultimately was a failure as the NWA World Champion. The matches were good but Steamboat was kind of a bore. I think he would've failed horribly as the WWF Champion and they knew it.
Goldust: Really, just no... NO!
Christian: Held the World Title so cross him off the list.
Jake Roberts: I don't see where you could've given him a run in the Hogan years. He was starting to lose momentum with the crowds by the time Savage's reign came to an end. Who could you have programmed him with in 1989 or 1990?
Ron Simmons: He was pretty over the hill by the time he showed up. I don't think he worked the right style to main event in the WWE.
Jeff Jarrett: I think there's an argument to be made that he was over enough in 1999 to get maybe a short reign in. I think he would've been better received as champion in the late summer than HHH was.
Booker T: I agree, he was a missed opportunity. But HHH decided to be a dick so what can you do. World Title run as King Booker either way.
Roddy Piper: I will say it plain and simple. The company would've failed at their national expansion if Piper had won the belt from Hogan at any point in that 84-86 range. He was a great foil for Hogan but Hogan needed the belt in those crucial early years.
Rick Rude: Meh, Rude was only there for a couple of years and he was frankly bad for the first half of his run. He really didn't become the awesome Rude until the Dangerous Alliance stuff in WCW.
Chris Benoit: World Title run...
Razor Ramon: I think Hall was a great worker in the mid 90s. I don't think he was a guy you put the World Title on. There is a concept at play here. Some guys cap out at secondary titles and can't carry the company as the top guy. I think Hall was one of those guys.
Owen Hart: This will be unpopular to say but I don't think Owen should've ever been WWF Champion. I think my comments about Scott Hall also apply to Owen Hart.
Ted Dibiase: I think most people know the Wrestlemania IV story. He was slated to win the belt but HTM refused to job the I-C belt to Savage so they turned around and gave the WWF belt to Savage.
British Bulldog: See comments on Owen and Hall.
Curt Hennig: His program on top with Hogan actually did pretty poor business. I think he might have been in the conversation at points but that program did him in.
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Post by Shane Sullivan on Oct 11, 2012 19:31:06 GMT -5
If I remember right Tito was in the conversation and it was between him and Bret Hart before Hart's first reign.
I don't think he would have made a real good champion though. Paul Orndorff would have been a good champion for a short run during Hogans run. Giving Hogan a reason to chance. But he had to have it over Piper. Piper was always better as the chaser same with Dibiase. I do agree on Regal. If only for a short run. He is a great comedy wrestler and when he played evil he was very good at it. Think he would have stole the show if given a chance. I think his drug suspension did in any chance he had for a long run. I think a better list would have been the top 20 champions who shouldn't have been.
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Post by maddog1981 on Oct 11, 2012 19:49:07 GMT -5
I don't buy into the Tito Santana being up for consideration when they went with Hart. I think he might have come up but I highly doubt there was serious consideration towards him at the time. He wasn't getting any kind of a push that year and was really just treading water as his WWE career was winding down.
I think if it came up, this was how that conversation went:
Vince: Damn it, we need someone new as champion to turn things around!
Random drone: How about Tito Santana!
brief pause...
Vince: Nah. No one would buy that.
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Post by Cernunnos on Oct 12, 2012 21:20:52 GMT -5
Heh! Goldust and several others were listed twice! LOL! Anyway... I didn't like the list. Some had no buisness being there. Others should have been a lot higher (although I agree that Mr. Perfect and Owen Hart should be in the top 3).
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Post by Cernunnos on Oct 12, 2012 21:35:33 GMT -5
@ Maddog! I agree with most of your statements, but some I tend to disagree with/would like to comment on: Ricky Steamboat: I recently watched the 1989 NWA Television. He was really just kind of lame and he ultimately was a failure as the NWA World Champion. The matches were good but Steamboat was kind of a bore. I think he would've failed horribly as the WWF Champion and they knew it. A good solid worker! When I was a wrestler all of my trainers talked about his WM3 match! It was/is one of the pinnacle matches in his career and was a stellar match. I can kind of understand your mentality. Maybe an international title or one in Japan, but I might be inclind to agree with you on this one... slightly... Actually I really would have liked to see Dustin Rhodes/Goldust as champion. Think he is better suited for it then a lot of the talent they put the strap around... Actually he was slated to wrestle Hogan in a couple title matches, but Hogan refused (same with Bret Hart) because he knew that he was more popular with the crowd at that time and didn't wanna risk it... A talent that could have been used anywhere on the roster and would have carried the position as well as those around him. When I think of Hennig I remember never seeing a dull match. |
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Post by Cernunnos on Oct 12, 2012 21:37:16 GMT -5
@ Maddog! I agree with most of your statements, but some I tend to disagree with/would like to comment on: Ricky Steamboat: I recently watched the 1989 NWA Television. He was really just kind of lame and he ultimately was a failure as the NWA World Champion. The matches were good but Steamboat was kind of a bore. I think he would've failed horribly as the WWF Champion and they knew it. A good solid worker! When I was a wrestler all of my trainers talked about his WM3 match! It was/is one of the pinnacle matches in his career and was a stellar match. I can kind of understand your mentality. Maybe an international title or one in Japan, but I might be inclind to agree with you on this one... slightly... Actually I really would have liked to see Dustin Rhodes/Goldust as champion. Think he is better suited for it then a lot of the talent they put the strap around... Actually he was slated to wrestle Hogan in a couple title matches, but Hogan refused (same with Bret Hart) because he knew that he was more popular with the crowd at that time and didn't wanna risk it... We would have seen a lot more technical matches if the strap was on him then some of the lame ones put out... A talent that could have been used anywhere on the roster and would have carried the position as well as those around him. When I think of Hennig I remember never seeing a dull match. |
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Post by Shane Sullivan on Oct 13, 2012 3:17:22 GMT -5
I remember where I heard about Tito getting the strap, Bret Hart shoot interview. They were heading to do a big Mexico run and were thinking about putting it on Tito for that run, but cooler heads prevailed and put it on Bret. Bret said it was a shock for him the first time, because he also heard that Tito was going to headline the mexico run. But El Matador I think would have been a bad choice.
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