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Post by smathis on Feb 15, 2009 21:39:45 GMT -5
If you are hoping to favour certain wrestlers and such, you are setting yourself up for disappointment really as they will only do as good as the combination of their stats and dicerolls allow them. Not sure I follow. A non-storyline fed doesn't do that, which is one of the reasons I wanted to reboot without any pretense of storyline going on. This is my first reboot of my fed since I started playing in, I guess it was, 2002? And this one is all about letting the dice fall where they may. Sometimes that sucks. Like my last house show was a total dud. Either squash matches or DQs. Frex, Thesz dominated Snuka like Superfly had one arm tied behind his back. But overall I think it's easier to manage and may be more beneficial to preserving interest over the long haul. I tended to sour on the storyline feds when either the dice nuked a storyline (as you point out) or I just started running out of ideas. With everything based on rankings, titles and the tale of the dice, I'm finding the matches themselves provide the drama for the fed. As opposed to being a backdrop for whatever is going on. |
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Post by markyhitch on Feb 16, 2009 10:25:36 GMT -5
I agree totally with you, smathis. My previous comment was meant to be in general and not you personally, so sorry about that.
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Post by smathis on Feb 16, 2009 11:03:48 GMT -5
I agree totally with you, smathis. My previous comment was meant to be in general and not you personally, so sorry about that. Oh cool. No problem. Thanks for clearing that up. |
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Post by graymar on Feb 17, 2009 9:07:18 GMT -5
With all due respect (seriously)...with no storylines...how do you avoid it just feeling like you're rolling dice?
Graymar
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Post by smathis on Feb 17, 2009 9:41:51 GMT -5
With all due respect (seriously)...with no storylines...how do you avoid it just feeling like you're rolling dice? Graymar Granted I'm only 3-4 cards in... There are storylines (sort of) that pop up organically from the match results. Mainly these involve wrestlers or tag-teams trying to win the championship. I have it set up a lot like Wildfire described, so there's also a tension of one of these tag teams or a couple of these wrestlers packing their bags after a month or so. So the "storylines" I guess I'm following at the moment would be... - Jimmy Snuka, former LWF champ, looking to become the first person to ever hold the title twice has found an arch-nemesis in Lou Thesz. In their first outing -- a tag match between Snuka & Bobo Brazil against Thesz and Don Muraco -- Snuka got the pin on Muraco after a hot tag. In their second face-off, Thesz wiped the mat with Snuka. Now Snuka has something to prove or Thesz will push him out of the championship race.
- Larry Zybysko won a "Money in the Bank" ladder match at the first PPV. Since then, he defeated Bobo Brazil after Hulk Hogan (as old school, glittery cape heel) ambushed Brazil outside the ring.
- Bobo Brazil was one of the top ranked competitors in the LWF, yet he came into the fed ranked only 7th. He's trying to prove himself but it's tough when you have people like Hulk Hogan jumping you during a match. So, he's going to have to show the locker room what happens to people who interrupt his matches. Hence, Hulk and Bobo are going to square off in a Last Man Standing match at the next PPV.
There are at least 3 other "threads" happening at this time. One in the junior bracket between Bobby Heenan & Ray Stevens against Len Rossi & Chief Jay Strongbow, a promising one developing between Krusher Kruschev & Nikolai Volkoff against the Fantastics and also Black Gordman & Great Goliath and the Samoan Swat Team. The benefit is that all these come from the results of the match and they all involve really only one thing -- getting a shot at the title (with a sub-motivation of proving yourself and not being the one "voted off the island" at the end of the month). So the storylines that aren't supported by the dice can die gracefully (as the one between Snuka and Thesz will if Thesz plasters Snuka again). Previously, I might push someone (like I did with Strangler Lewis) only to have the dice completely turn against me when the chips were down. With this, it's not that much of an issue because if a feud fizzles you didn't have anything invested in it really and you can be assured that there will probably be one or two more possible feuds out of the next show. So I guess it isn't a complete absence of a storyline. It's more letting the dice dictate the storylines. The downside is that a feud I might have booked hard in the past (like Snuka/Thesz) maybe doesn't have the heat of lesser feuds (like Brazil/Hogan or even Gordman-Goliath/Samoan Swat Team). So sometimes the booking is a little odd. And the scheduling can bork some of the feuds too. But I don't feel particularly tied down to any course of action either, so it's no problem to switch things around as needed. So what if Snuka has to take a backseat to the Samoan Swat Team? SST is running hot. Snuka's cooling down. |
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Post by graymar on Feb 17, 2009 9:56:52 GMT -5
Thanks smathis... I think I understand a bit better now. You're talking about booking to a desired results versus...enjoying the ride!  Does that sound right? Graymar |
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Post by smathis on Feb 17, 2009 15:17:49 GMT -5
You're talking about booking to a desired results versus...enjoying the ride! Does that sound right? Graymar For me, that's been the distinction. Sort of embracing the randomness of the dice. |
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Post by zanysteve on Feb 18, 2009 14:40:43 GMT -5
I recently had Koko B Ware win by DQ over Ray Stevens in a non-title match.Heenan and Stevens then injured Koko with an attack. Now Stevens & Ware arent scheduled to meet again but Koko was then assigned as a referee to a Stevens-Rodgers match coming up. Buddy Rodgers is the number one contender and if he fails in his two title matches against Stevens , I have a potentional revenge title match in Stevens Vs Koko.
I also like to use the Apter card to build a feud before a match.Earlier this month I had a Giant Baba Vs Rikidozan match as a main event for Korakuen Hall show (two faces). It happened that Johnny Valentine injured Rikidozan the card before the main event, so what i did was put a Rikidozan in the Hot Seat , where he blamed Baba for not stopping Johnny.Baba came out and they had a staredown.This made their main event match that more intresting.Simple cheap heat off of a non-related attack. Just for the record Baba beat an injured Rikidozan so he benifited from that attack.This gives Riki a reason for losing clean ,Baba may not like to win that way so wants revenge against Johnny , gives fans thoughts about did Baba allow the attack to really happen, and gives Johnny Valentine two feuds in Rikidozan & Giant Baba.
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Post by markyhitch on Feb 19, 2009 6:32:47 GMT -5
You're talking about booking to a desired results versus...enjoying the ride! Does that sound right? Graymar For me, that's been the distinction. Sort of embracing the randomness of the dice. I embrace the dice too. I really enjoy rolling dice and picturing the matches in my mind. I even let the dice decide who fights who most times. I just like to see how the wrestlers fare against each other.  |
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Post by smathis on Feb 19, 2009 14:34:25 GMT -5
I even let the dice decide who fights who most times. I just like to see how the wrestlers fare against each other. How do you do that? The dice book the matches? |
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