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Post by DK II on Sept 19, 2020 20:30:48 GMT -5
I also enforce Tom's rule that if you are doing a tag team finisher, the person who has the move on their card tags out when doing the move. He can't stay in the ring and do multiple tag finishers in a row. From what I've seen at GalactiCon, that rule isn't always enforced. I don't know why this way of doing it seems so odd to me. I personally don't think it matters as you can just "tag" the wrestler with the tag finisher back right back in...UNLESS you have a house rule where the wrestler getting tagged in has to his a successful move before tagging out (which by the way, I do as well.) |
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Post by the_faction on Sept 21, 2020 3:13:11 GMT -5
I also enforce Tom's rule that if you are doing a tag team finisher, the person who has the move on their card tags out when doing the move. He can't stay in the ring and do multiple tag finishers in a row. From what I've seen at GalactiCon, that rule isn't always enforced. I don't know why this way of doing it seems so odd to me. I personally don't think it matters as you can just "tag" the wrestler with the tag finisher back right back in...UNLESS you have a house rule where the wrestler getting tagged in has to his a successful move before tagging out (which by the way, I do as well.) Didn't even realize this was a house rule, I've always thought any tag moves or tag finishers you tagged out. |
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Post by Swarm on Sept 21, 2020 8:04:21 GMT -5
I don't know why this way of doing it seems so odd to me. I personally don't think it matters as you can just "tag" the wrestler with the tag finisher back right back in...UNLESS you have a house rule where the wrestler getting tagged in has to his a successful move before tagging out (which by the way, I do as well.) Didn't even realize this was a house rule, I've always thought any tag moves or tag finishers you tagged out. Same. I think this is an official rule. When a guy w a tag finisher hits this move, he’s tagging out. If the opponent survives, the tag partner is the guy who should be in there. This is a very important detail because outside interference and pin saves can change the momentum of the match - if you find yourself in a situation where that pin has been reversed - you want to be sure you’ve got the right tag team partner in there. In summary, I believe there is no situation where the guy w the FINISHER (+X) tag should be taking a pin on a reversal. It’s always the guy he tagged out to making the pin. Thoughts? |
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Post by Chad Olson on Sept 21, 2020 8:17:02 GMT -5
Didn't even realize this was a house rule, I've always thought any tag moves or tag finishers you tagged out. Same. I think this is an official rule. When a guy w a tag finisher hits this move, he’s tagging out. If the opponent survives, the tag partner is the guy who should be in there. This is a very important detail because outside interference and pin saves can change the momentum of the match - if you find yourself in a situation where that pin has been reversed - you want to be sure you’ve got the right tag team partner in there. In summary, I believe there is no situation where the guy w the FINISHER (+X) tag should be taking a pin on a reversal. It’s always the guy he tagged out to making the pin. Thoughts? I agree with your interpretation of who would be taking the pin on a reversal. In the 2096 Ringside Companion, Rule Clarification #10 states "whenever the tag finisher is rolled, assume that the outside wrestler gets tagged in... This means that Brute is the man who actually pins the opponent after the DECAPITATOR since he's the legal man." |
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Post by Nate Mendsen on Sept 21, 2020 20:16:26 GMT -5
Didn't even realize this was a house rule, I've always thought any tag moves or tag finishers you tagged out. Same. I think this is an official rule. When a guy w a tag finisher hits this move, he’s tagging out. If the opponent survives, the tag partner is the guy who should be in there. This is a very important detail because outside interference and pin saves can change the momentum of the match - if you find yourself in a situation where that pin has been reversed - you want to be sure you’ve got the right tag team partner in there. In summary, I believe there is no situation where the guy w the FINISHER (+X) tag should be taking a pin on a reversal. It’s always the guy he tagged out to making the pin. Thoughts? That usually would be fine, but some moves just make sense that a certain wrestler is the one to go for the pin |
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Post by TTX on Sept 21, 2020 20:29:03 GMT -5
*cough* Superpower Summit.
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Post by wildfire on Sept 21, 2020 20:37:59 GMT -5
Great thread!
First, I do NOT use the roll twice for DQ.. I'm happy to have DQs... old school, I know, but that's how I roll.
If I roll doubles to start the match, after rolling again, whoever starts gets to start on level 2 offense.
For champion's advantage, I do -1 to starting pin, and the champ always get the 1st roll.
For any (ch) move, I use the ch chart every OTHER time it comes up... the 1st time, I use the move listed. I keep track of this by flipping the chart. I think this might be an official rule now, but when I figure out the roll for choice moves, I use the different between the two wrestlers, not just modifying with the guy on defense (so if Omega (-4) if wrestling Torin Caelum (-3) Omega gets +1 on his agility move attempts, Caelum -1)
For defensive tags... they are automatic for level one defense (though I rarely use them). For level 2, they work for 7 or less, but on an actual 7, you add a fatigue token to the guy tagging out. For level 3, works on 6 or less, and always adds a fatigue token if successful.
I never re-roll tag moves. I hate rerolling. If the card doesn't have a specific instruction, I assume a solo version or similar move that goes at 1 level less that shown. For Finishers, they get a (0) finisher if the tag move is +2 or more, an add 1 if its 0 or +1. That also goes for tag matches if the guy in the ring doesn't want to tag out, or if he just got in with a hot tag and it wouldn't make sense.
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Post by Cory Olson on Sept 22, 2020 10:04:30 GMT -5
On the topic of tag moves, how do you guys handle a guy with tag moves or finishers teaming up with someone who is not his official partner? I thought in one of the earliest GWF sets with tag finishers, Tom had a note that tag finishers are only to be executed with official partners, otherwise you roll again as you would in singles. I don't think he mentioned it for Incredible Badger, since he teamed with both Battering Ram and Reptillo initially but I think one of the next guys to have a tag move had some type of mention of that in the handbook.
Whether or not that's an official rule, I have always played it that way. Say Badger were teaming with Lord Nexus, he shouldn't be able to do the ANDROMEDA DROP as well with a random partner as he would with regular partners. In my current USWA (LOW fed), I allow any team to do "2" or "3" tag moves together but "3 Add 1" and finishers are roll again on the lower level of offense. Usually, the "2" and "3" moves are generic enough double team moves that I can see any partners do them together. (I figure if they can roll on the Double Team Chart together, they can execute these moves.) If it doesn't make sense, I will substitute a more logical move at the same level of offense.
Once in a while, I may allow teams to do a "3 Add 1" team together if they are a natural fit, even though they didn't team in real life. For example, Billy Red Lyons rolls his "double dropkick - 3 Add 1" with Doctor X since they were in-laws in real life.
I do the same with finishers once in a while if teams start to team regularly but usually, I lower the rating to show that they aren't as natural as the original team. When we made Koko Ware/Sweet Brown Sugar's stats in Promoter Prime a few years ago, we put in his bio that he could do the tag finishers with Bobby Eaton and Stan Lane that were on their B&W cards but that the finisher rating was one lower. That was to show that his teams with Eaton and Lane were regional teams, whereas Eaton and Lane together had more national success.
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Post by wildfire on Sept 23, 2020 9:57:11 GMT -5
That's not something I do much... If I was to take a guy with a tag partner and put him with a new partner, I would just go with that tag finisher... I can't really picture booking a tag specialist type guy in a match with a random other guy the way I generally book. I think I'd just go with it as the card says... I always assume the guy who has the move on his card is doing the move, and the other guy is just assisting.
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Post by markyhitch on Sept 23, 2020 10:45:15 GMT -5
Didn't even realize this was a house rule, I've always thought any tag moves or tag finishers you tagged out. Same. I think this is an official rule. When a guy w a tag finisher hits this move, he’s tagging out. If the opponent survives, the tag partner is the guy who should be in there. This is a very important detail because outside interference and pin saves can change the momentum of the match - if you find yourself in a situation where that pin has been reversed - you want to be sure you’ve got the right tag team partner in there. In summary, I believe there is no situation where the guy w the FINISHER (+X) tag should be taking a pin on a reversal. It’s always the guy he tagged out to making the pin. Thoughts? I agree though I'm sure that there are cases where this doesn't make sense. If I'm recalling correctly, on Marcus Bagwell's b&w card he has a slingshot splash tag move with 2 Cold Scorpio. I'm sure Bagwell does the splash and cover however. Oh and for starting a match without the Gary Cappetta chart, I roll one die. On a roll of 1, the wrestler with the better agility rolls first else the wrestler with the better power. Figures powerful wrestlers have an advantage. |
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