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Post by jimsteel on Jun 25, 2021 17:46:41 GMT -5
Updated list of releases
Fandango
Ever-Rise (Chase Parker and Matt Martel)
Ariya Daivari
Tony Nese
August Grey
Tyler Breeze
The Bollywood Boyz (Sunil Singh and Samir Singh)
Marina Shafir
Curt Stallion
Arturo Ruas
Killian Dain
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Post by Justin Case on Jun 25, 2021 18:01:30 GMT -5
So basically WWE signed a bunch of guys so others would not sign them. Then released them without doing anything with most if not all of them. Yep that surprises no one. While true, the talent deserves equal blame. Nobody forced them to sign. I do think the over-signing of way too many wrestlers made WWE look weak, insecure and made signing w the WWE no longer the huge deal it used to be (even if NXT technically isn’t really WWE). I think they can easily cut another 30-50 wrestlers and nothing really changes. But it might make WWE the promised land it once was again. Can you really blame talent for taking a job & trying to get paid? Promises. I guess you can say the talent is gullible, and could take indie jobs? But when a big corporate comes calling, do you really say no to offers? |
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Post by Swarm on Jun 25, 2021 18:11:29 GMT -5
While true, the talent deserves equal blame. Nobody forced them to sign. I do think the over-signing of way too many wrestlers made WWE look weak, insecure and made signing w the WWE no longer the huge deal it used to be (even if NXT technically isn’t really WWE). I think they can easily cut another 30-50 wrestlers and nothing really changes. But it might make WWE the promised land it once was again. Can you really blame talent for taking a job & trying to get paid? Promises. I guess you can say the talent is gullible, and could take indie jobs? But when a big corporate comes calling, do you really say no to offers? No, and that’s all I’m saying. I see a lot of very green wrestlers on TV. Botches used to be taboo, now they’re accepted almost weekly. It’s a combo of wrestlers not being ready and the promoters who sign them, hoard them and stunt their growth. Most guys in NXT should be wrestling constantly getting reps in. But they go to NXT and disappear. You’ve got to know you’re gonna get way less reps leaving the indies. But money talks. Problem is most of these people are also competitive and sitting around collecting a paycheck gets old fast. |
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Post by on_the_edge on Jun 25, 2021 18:41:28 GMT -5
So basically WWE signed a bunch of guys so others would not sign them. Then released them without doing anything with most if not all of them. Yep that surprises no one. While true, the talent deserves equal blame. Nobody forced them to sign. I do think the over-signing of way too many wrestlers made WWE look weak, insecure and made signing w the WWE no longer the huge deal it used to be (even if NXT technically isn’t really WWE). I think they can easily cut another 30-50 wrestlers and nothing really changes. But it might make WWE the promised land it once was again. Sure it falls some on the talent but I do not blame them. Get the money while you can. Athletes have a short shelf life. Some shorter than others depending on injuries. |
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Post by Swarm on Jun 25, 2021 18:55:18 GMT -5
While true, the talent deserves equal blame. Nobody forced them to sign. I do think the over-signing of way too many wrestlers made WWE look weak, insecure and made signing w the WWE no longer the huge deal it used to be (even if NXT technically isn’t really WWE). I think they can easily cut another 30-50 wrestlers and nothing really changes. But it might make WWE the promised land it once was again. Sure it falls some on the talent but I do not blame them. Get the money while you can. Athletes have a short shelf life. Some shorter than others depending on injuries. It’s a vicious circle. NXT is a short program. Not nearly enough room for all these guys. It’s kind of like Survivor but wrestling. But ya no blaming anybody for taking more money. |
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Post by Justin Case on Jun 25, 2021 20:42:55 GMT -5
According to Fightful, Tino Sabbatelli was also released. This could be his second time?
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Post by pikemojo on Jun 26, 2021 9:29:23 GMT -5
Can you really blame talent for taking a job & trying to get paid? Promises. I guess you can say the talent is gullible, and could take indie jobs? But when a big corporate comes calling, do you really say no to offers? No, and that’s all I’m saying. I see a lot of very green wrestlers on TV. Botches used to be taboo, now they’re accepted almost weekly. It’s a combo of wrestlers not being ready and the promoters who sign them, hoard them and stunt their growth. Most guys in NXT should be wrestling constantly getting reps in. But they go to NXT and disappear. You’ve got to know you’re gonna get way less reps leaving the indies. But money talks. Problem is most of these people are also competitive and sitting around collecting a paycheck gets old fast. This may be a topic for another thread but I've been wondering how much the indies really help talent to develop. Sure they get their reps in but are they really getting advice from seasoned professionals? If you have a guy who keeps doing a specific move poorly, is there someone who is honest with them that maybe that move or style isn't for them? Or is it just a bunch of guys patting each other's backs? I legitimately don't know the answer to those questions but I've been thinking about them for a while. There are definitely instances where the indies helped a wrestler develop a WWE ready character but there are also many instances where bad habits/characters/ideas/moves seem to be applauded. |
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Post by j on Jun 26, 2021 18:50:13 GMT -5
No, and that’s all I’m saying. I see a lot of very green wrestlers on TV. Botches used to be taboo, now they’re accepted almost weekly. It’s a combo of wrestlers not being ready and the promoters who sign them, hoard them and stunt their growth. Most guys in NXT should be wrestling constantly getting reps in. But they go to NXT and disappear. You’ve got to know you’re gonna get way less reps leaving the indies. But money talks. Problem is most of these people are also competitive and sitting around collecting a paycheck gets old fast. This may be a topic for another thread but I've been wondering how much the indies really help talent to develop. Sure they get their reps in but are they really getting advice from seasoned professionals? If you have a guy who keeps doing a specific move poorly, is there someone who is honest with them that maybe that move or style isn't for them? Or is it just a bunch of guys patting each other's backs? I legitimately don't know the answer to those questions but I've been thinking about them for a while. There are definitely instances where the indies helped a wrestler develop a WWE ready character but there are also many instances where bad habits/characters/ideas/moves seem to be applauded. The local indie in general probably not. Like you said they get their reps in but if they're doing things wrong they're probably not being corrected unless there's some vet around wanting to help out. Most of the indies I frequent usually have a special guest or two each show. Someone like Chris Hero I believe takes the time to help the younger guys out. About 3 years ago AIW in Cleveland brought in Billy Kidman for a meet & greet, I know several of the wrestlers there said it was the best learning experience because he was able to say exactly what WWE is looking for and he watched every match & gave feedback. Before passing Tracy Smothers would do the same. Several of the name stars that come in also do seminars for the local wrestlers. I think there's some that do it for an easy buck but I also think some are extremley helpful. |
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Post by Vegas on Jun 26, 2021 19:09:48 GMT -5
This may be a topic for another thread but I've been wondering how much the indies really help talent to develop. Sure they get their reps in but are they really getting advice from seasoned professionals? If you have a guy who keeps doing a specific move poorly, is there someone who is honest with them that maybe that move or style isn't for them? Or is it just a bunch of guys patting each other's backs? I legitimately don't know the answer to those questions but I've been thinking about them for a while. There are definitely instances where the indies helped a wrestler develop a WWE ready character but there are also many instances where bad habits/characters/ideas/moves seem to be applauded. The local indie in general probably not. Like you said they get their reps in but if they're doing things wrong they're probably not being corrected unless there's some vet around wanting to help out. Most of the indies I frequent usually have a special guest or two each show. Someone like Chris Hero I believe takes the time to help the younger guys out. About 3 years ago AIW in Cleveland brought in Billy Kidman for a meet & greet, I know several of the wrestlers there said it was the best learning experience because he was able to say exactly what WWE is looking for and he watched every match & gave feedback. Before passing Tracy Smothers would do the same. Several of the name stars that come in also do seminars for the local wrestlers. I think there's some that do it for an easy buck but I also think some are extremley helpful. Yeah, the seminars can really vary in quality. I have heard good things about some of the guest wrestlers FSW here has brought in for seminars but then on the other hand when FSW brought in Marty Jannetty for a seminar they had to cancel it because Jannetty was too drunk. |
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Post by throwingtoasters on Jun 26, 2021 19:29:57 GMT -5
I know that CWFH never gets mentioned when talking about the 'best of the Indies' but what CWFH does really well is train guys to wrestle on TV. Dave is really adamant about how things look and are presented in the ring. Even I got chastised a time or two for having my back towards the camera. I've always believed that spending some time wrestling in CWFH is a great bootcamp for what TV production is like in the big leagues. Now whether the wrestlers are exciting or 'over' is another thing, but at least you'll be able to see how good or bad they are most of the time.
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