Are these legends or indy?

[Scott Fire 54]

This may be a dumb question but are these Legend or Indy?

Lenny Lane
Shawn Davari
Sinn Bodhi
Madison Rayne
Matt Cardona
Brian Myers
James Storm

[Travis605]

Apr 19, 2022 19:15:46 GMT -5 Scott Fire 54 said:

This may be a dumb question but are these Legend or Indy?

Lenny Lane
Shawn Davari
Sinn Bodhi
Madison Rayne
Matt Cardona
Brian Myers
James Storm

Definitely not a dumb question as I think they all are teetering between Legend and Indies. I started my fed with 2017, so I needed "underneath" talent so I included Lenny, Daivari, Bodhi, Petey Williams (never knew of Madison Rayne). 

Im still debating on the Cardona/Myers/Storm. I'd say Storm most definitely as he's been on the national scene since what...2004?

[Vegas]

Apr 19, 2022 19:15:46 GMT -5 Scott Fire 54 said:

This may be a dumb question but are these Legend or Indy?

Lenny Lane
Shawn Davari
Sinn Bodhi
Madison Rayne
Matt Cardona
Brian Myers
James Storm

I wrote the stats for the Matt Cardona, Brian Myers, and James Storm cards and all 3 of them are considered Indy cards.

[TTX]

I use all of them except Bodhi in my Legends fed.

[on_the_edge]

Indie legends?

[j]

I use Lenny Lane in legends, the rest in indies. I've debated using Daivari & Bohdi in legends at times.

[Pete]

The line between Indy and Legend is an interesting discussion. Regardless of what product line they were made for, you could sort of go either way on most of them, except Lenny who I think is a straight-up Legend.

To me, you're a Legend if you:

1.) Are/were pushed for a national wrestling promotion or a pre-1984 territory (not just doing job guy work, unless of course you're making a job guy card). WWF/E, WCW, AEW...I don't put ROH guys in this category, for reasons that may not stand up 100% to scrutiny but because I still feel ROH was always a "super-indy" rather than a true national, touring promotion. TNA/Impact is sort of in this category in that I stopped really regarding them as any kind of national promotion around the time they fell to PopTV, and certainly after Pop cancelled them. ROH and modern Impact guys can cross the line in other ways, though, like with...

2.) Are/were pushed for a major Japanese promotion, whether as native or foreign talent. "Major" is pretty loose, especially after the big '90s boom and modern-day AJPW and NOAH aren't much bigger than some indy promotions nowadays. But they still can draw in the thousands for their big shows and still have national TV presence in the country. And most big Japanese indy guys end up working alongside major promotions at some point during their careers with all the crossover and interpromotional booking going on, to the point where basically if you wrestled in Japan at all, you're a Legend. Especially in the '90s and before.

3.) Are/were pushed in ECW. Definitely skirting the line for a "national" company, but they had PPV clearance and had a greater tangible influence on the Big Two at the time than any promotion since. Ultimately, why them and not ROH? Because the first Legends set established the precedent by including the Sandman.

4.) Are/were pushed in the major Mexican promotions--namely UWA, AAA, CMLL, and IWRG. I guess the Crash and some other modern promotions might fall into that category as well, as well as Promo Azteca.

5.) Are/were pushed in the NWA--maybe--sorta? I don't know how I think of the modern Powerrr version of the company at this point. I lean towards yes because of the history and because of their recent attempts to at least try to run as a nationalized product with a touring champion, and because of the old-school Legends aesthetic. If not for COVID derailing them two years ago their case may be stronger today.

And then there are other instances like maybe guys who worked for Otto Wanz in Europe, or in other international promotions, that sort of have to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Were they at least a semi-mainstream name in their country like Mamdouh Farag was in Egypt? Did they draw sizable crowds? Did they tour other places? Did their promotion have a major television presence? It's not always going to be foolproof but I believe in drawing a line somewhere, even if maybe it's iffy whether Lord Zoltan is a "legend" even by 1982 standards while the Beer City Bruiser may not be.

I associate Lenny with WCW so to me he's a straight-up Legend and I'm pretty sure he was released as such. Daivari worked for WWE and Impact. Bodhi's card is basically the same as Kizarny's so for all of the cup of coffee he had with WWE, it's enough. Madison was in Impact for years when it was still a semi-viable national company. Same with James Storm. Cardona and Myers were in WWE even if their cards sort of reflect them as indies.

[Pariah]

It's up to you, promoter!

C'mon! You knew someone was going to say it!

[graymar]

Has Storm been released Online? What set?

Thanks

[TTX]

He's in a 3 pack with Myers and Cardona.