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Post by Dustin on Jul 20, 2022 18:46:39 GMT -5
To each there own but I would not want him. I even killed him off in my alternate timeline. Never liked him, dude can't wrestle and got good booking. He would lose in a real fight to anyone we have on the roster including Nacho. ............ We're gonna having extremely divergent opinions here. The whole "Hulk can't wrestle" thing is absurd. Good booking? Then why not take Warlord who made way less money, book him the same way, and see what happens? Because it was more than that, like him or not. Hogan COULD wrestle, could take the grind of being on top for so long when the company toured NONSTOP, and did all the right things in the ring. Ask anyone from Jerry Brisco to B Brian Blair if Hogan was a legit tough guy and they will give you a WAAAAAY different answer than "Nacho could beat him up" ....In fact, both of those guys will be in Waterloo this weekend. Maybe I can get them to go on the record!  |
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Post by "Emperor Norton" (Mark T) on Jul 20, 2022 18:55:42 GMT -5
I would say Hogan was never a great between-the-bells worker per se. But at his best, he was a good worker who was capable of great performances. .... Pro wrestling is about so much more than the moves you do and the technique. That's why so many "great wrestlers" today just don't get over but Ultimate Warrior still moves merch. It's about the selling, the emotion, the energy, the connection to the crowd. Hulk had all of those in levels not seen before or maybe since. I love technical wrestling. But I also understand what making money in pro wrestling entails. As I know you do as well. So I'm just reinforcing is all I suppose. 😆 |
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Post by ajcostello on Jul 20, 2022 19:25:11 GMT -5
I've always just used Big Superstar for that Hulk Hogan vibe.
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Post by on_the_edge on Jul 20, 2022 19:31:00 GMT -5
I don't think it was a matter of what he was allowed to do, they and he knew what the fans wanted and he didn't usually have to do more than that. Good point but in a way that revolves around what they allowed him to do. Vince saw no reason to do more if it would not pop the crowd more. Not to mention run the risk of injuring his cash cow er I mean top star thus keeping him off the road and performing to the delight of the fans. |
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Post by Pete on Jul 20, 2022 19:34:16 GMT -5
Yeah, the WWF was always a lazy man's territory going back to the Pedro days if not farther.
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Post by "Emperor Norton" (Mark T) on Jul 20, 2022 19:39:58 GMT -5
I don't think it was a matter of what he was allowed to do, they and he knew what the fans wanted and he didn't usually have to do more than that. Good point but in a way that revolves around what they allowed him to do. Vince saw no reason to do more if it would not pop the crowd more. Not to mention run the risk of injuring his cash cow er I mean top star thus keeping him off the road and performing to the delight of the fans. ...... This thread is getting WAY sidetracked from the original question, but let's address these "the guys back then couldn't do what we do now" workrate dudes. Guys back then worked to get over and PERSERVE THEIR BODIES FOR A 300+ day a year road schedule. Guys today wrestle once or twice a week and take long breaks "for mental health" or whatever. And fine for them, I'm not knocking it. Yeah, those guys COULD have done the same things, but they couldn't have done them 325 days a year. Dudes today put into the 1980s would all be Dynamite Kid with that stellar two years and a life in a wheelchair. |
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Post by "Emperor Norton" (Mark T) on Jul 20, 2022 19:40:59 GMT -5
Yeah, the WWF was always a lazy man's territory going back to the Pedro days if not farther. .......... Who are you to doubt Pedro Morales? For real though, here's the funny thing: as much as I appreciate early 70s and 80s territory wrestling (Mid Atlantic being my favorite), what was making the most money? That "lazy" territory in the northeast. |
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Post by Pete on Jul 20, 2022 19:54:09 GMT -5
Yes, because they were in the largest markets in the country. Making the most money when you have a cartel propping you up in New York, Boston, Washington, Baltimore, and most of the rest of the Eastern Seaboard is almost the minimum baseline expectation.
Vince, Sr. never cut me a check, either. So I'm not obliged to care much about how much money he made.
And that wasn't a knock on Pedro--in L.A. in the '60s he had the reputation of an ahead-of-his-time high-flyer. The WWWF turned him into a brawler.
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Post by "Emperor Norton" (Mark T) on Jul 20, 2022 20:13:59 GMT -5
Here's the deal Pete. Mid Atlantic and Mid South are my stuff as far as territory wrestling of the era. New York never did it for me. But you drop Hulk Hogan in any of them and that guy is over. There's no denying that unless you're just being contrarian. So it's about more than "that guy could work" or else, as I've stated in other threads, Mike Jackson would have been a superstar.
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Post by Pete on Jul 20, 2022 20:19:30 GMT -5
I was defending Hogan's work just a few posts ago, so I'm not sure where the "contrarian" accusation is coming from. I suppose propping up Hogan as a genuinely good between-the-bells worker (and not just "working a crowd") is somewhat contrarian in certain spheres.
But Hogan was good because he was good. Not because he made the most money.
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