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Post by lwffantrav on Mar 12, 2008 22:01:10 GMT -5
On the debate, I Add 1 after the move and another after the pin attempt. Anyone who doesn't is a communist. Well, this is Mark Ashby we're talking about! ZING! Just kidding Mark!!! Seriously, I gotta agree with Jedi Bootlegger: Well it does make sense, you're just thinking about things differently than others. You don't see the token added as fatigue due to the effort of avoiding being pinned. the 'add 1' is a damaging move that inflicts harsh damage... they're both added, but for different reasons. Why would a wrestler add one for kicking out of a pinfall attempt from every level 3 offensive move EXCEPT the especially damaging ones? I see 'add 1' moves as the most brutal in the game. Finishers may finish, but the 'add 1' moves are going to make the rest of the match hell for the opponent. But hey, it's always a fun debate...nice to see both sides of the issue, which is always fun |
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Post by antimony on Mar 12, 2008 22:39:19 GMT -5
Maybe the real problem is that there's only one way to measure "damage" in the game: PIN ratings.
Perhaps an "add 1" move should create a one-card injury in the subject, which would have only minimal effect (per the injury chart). And it would take several Eye Cleaverings to go from that level of injury to the next.
And by that time, you've probably already been pinned. Not because of the add 1's but because you're fighting a Gladiator. I mean, seriously. There should be some sort of conversion chart for when Gladiators fight anyone else.
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Post by Mike M on Mar 13, 2008 8:05:22 GMT -5
I run my matches the 'right' way, but I don't feel anywhere near as strong about this as some others (COUGH...Mark and Todd...COUGH). I just read the rules and played it like Tom wrote it
That being said, I agree that there's been a little too much 'inflation' in the number of guys with Add 1 moves (I think that there are something like 16 male singles wrestlers with the move). The funny thing is that it doesn't seem to be helping guys as much as you would think- everyone bashes Strutter's team these days, but nearly everyone in his stable has at least one Add 1 move. Rotunda's the only one who doesn't. Heck, Tanck and Scimitar have 2 each. Swarm's one of the characters most often mentioned as in need of an upgrade, but he's got an Add 1 move already.
Bottom line, I'd like to see less guys with Add 1 moves. When I wrote Early Classics, I only put 2 Add 1 moves into the whole set (Omega 2083 and Keller 2074). Omega was a downgrade from the double finisher to the single finisher and the Add 1 move. Keller needed the Add 1, simply because his 2084 card was already really good, but considered 'well past his prime' and he needed SOMETHING to boost him up.
BTW, Tommy, are you trying to tell me that a heart punch isn't a REALLY effective move? C'mon, bud. A boxer like Keller executing a heart punch would be debilitating!
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Post by roninnoir on Mar 13, 2008 8:09:08 GMT -5
I'm just saying I don't think the Heart Punch is necessarily Eye Cleaver level vicious, or "electric dive implanted under the skin" level vicious...
Of course, I never really liked Keller THAT much, so that probably colored my whole "Keller doesn't need an add 1" argument.
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Post by lwffantrav on Mar 13, 2008 8:50:36 GMT -5
I think I put this into another thread, but I think Add 1's should be limited to L3O moves. Like the Keller debate. I don't mind him having it at all, but when the Add 1 is on the L2O (where most of the match playing takes place), they'll add up quick.
Keller can dominate a guy like Morpheus because of those Add 1's on his L2O
I think they (Add 1's) should be special moves, thus limited to L3O moves only. I"m going to go back and change my Memphis stuff to reflect this as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2008 8:54:38 GMT -5
I"m going to go back and change my Memphis stuff to reflect this as well. Sounds like Im going to have to purchase more cardstock LOL but yeah I agree with add 1 moves should be used only on L3O. |
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Post by lwffantrav on Mar 13, 2008 9:14:10 GMT -5
I"m going to go back and change my Memphis stuff to reflect this as well. Sounds like Im going to have to purchase more cardstock LOL but yeah I agree with add 1 moves should be used only on L3O. Yeah, it seems anal, but it makes sense though. LOL, well, luckily, there aren't many. I can think of Dream Machine and Brian Christopher as some of the few |
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Post by TTX on Mar 13, 2008 9:44:46 GMT -5
I think out of the 36 male wrestlers currently active in the GWF around 24 have at least one add 1 move. (On their physical cards, I haven't seen the updates online) It's getting to be that most guys don't stand a chance if they DON'T have an add 1 move.
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Post by wildfire on Mar 13, 2008 10:15:01 GMT -5
Not to veer off topic, but I find the New Beginning era less compelling to play for that reason... the guys are so good, I find the matches to be less entertaining in alot of cases.
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Post by Justin Case on Mar 13, 2008 18:01:51 GMT -5
I feel whichever way you do it, as long as it is consistent thru all your play, then that's the right way to go!  |
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