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Post by cotguy130 on Jan 14, 2011 12:47:17 GMT -5
A Chikara fan with no prior FG experience isn't going to be aware of "Rahl" ratings or power-level comparisons to other wrestlers in the FG universe. As long as the wrestlers in the set are levelled correctly in relation to their position in the fed, a Chikara fan should be happy.
On the other hand, your existing FG fanbase, who will comprise a very large portion of your potential purchasers, are aware of this and in most cases it's important to them. Like an earlier poster said, I don't want an Osirian Portal that can regularly beat The Road Warriors.
The beauty of the FG system is the ability to mix and match "stars" of various promotions and time periods. I'm not really interested in running a Chikara fed, because there is a Chikara fed in existence. I want to include these Chikara wrestlers in my dream fed, whether "Indy"-level or otherwise, and I want them to perform at the appropriate level.
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Post by inquisator on Jan 14, 2011 15:14:09 GMT -5
Could not put it better myself.......Quackenbush can still be a big fish if the cards are done right.....
My interest would also be limited for a high powered set (I got that out of my system with GWF bootlegs).... If they are in line with LOTF and LOW then we might have something special here.........it's a great opportunity for Filsinger Games but you want the whole community to buy in, not just the Chikara fans......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2011 15:19:46 GMT -5
I guess I'm in the minority, but I'd rather the cards be stronger as a stand-alone set. Also, if Chikara is going to promote this set, you'd think they'd want them that way too. Trying to bring in new buyers by offering strictly "lower tier" guys, doesn't seem to be a very good marketing ploy, IMO. Obviously a stand alone set won't appeal to some current players, but I think it is the best way to bring in a core new audience. Besides, if we have Chikara on contract, who's to say there won't be LOTF SE/LE's for the guys we don't have in LOTF, that we do have in the Chikara set, later down the road. 100% agree |
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Post by jmello on Jan 14, 2011 16:14:26 GMT -5
A Chikara fan with no prior FG experience isn't going to be aware of "Rahl" ratings or power-level comparisons to other wrestlers in the FG universe. As long as the wrestlers in the set are levelled correctly in relation to their position in the fed, a Chikara fan should be happy. While they may not be aware of "Rahl" ratings, I'm sure most have the aptitude to know when a card is a "good card" or not. I know when I first purchased the game 14 years ago, it didn't take much time to realize Star Warrior and Thantos were not your average cards. Limiting a set to the below 30 Rahl ratings, it won't take much time for a casual, new player to realize the set is too balanced if an active "beast" in Chikara is beaten on a regular basis by lower tier wrestlers of their favorite promotion. I believe this endeavor is to suck in new buyers, which is why the partnership is huge. Chikara will be promoting Filsinger Games at their promotion! Nothing wrong with their cards being jacked up for their stand alone fed. Obviously Quackenbush has knowledge of the game, I doubt he'd like to hear that every member of the Chikara set is on the level of a George Steele or Hillybilly Jim card. Knowing Chikara I doubt you'd have a Thesz or Andre level, but with their focus on tag and six, I wouldn't mind seeing a Midnight Express level tag team. Again, JMO but I think the set should fit Chikara and Chikara alone. Either way, I'll buy as always. |
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Post by cotguy130 on Jan 14, 2011 20:02:41 GMT -5
FG made the decision to power-leve the entire "Legends" Universe, from -OW to -OTF, as one entity. If they're going to break the system to make fans of one fed happy, that's their business, but I think it's a negative in the long run. I'm one of those who might skip the set if the guy's are too strong.
I've long wished that they had levelled the LoW and LotF universes separately. I'd love to run a competitive Briscoes vs. Midnight Express match, but card balance, for the most part, won't allow it. They've set the bar for how they do it, and we've gotten used to it. Don't change it this late in the game just to show off to Chikara.
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Post by Sinclair Promotions on Jan 14, 2011 20:50:06 GMT -5
I agree in not wanting an over powering Chikara set. Just having the current Chikara cards done in color will be amazing as it is.
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Post by jrgoldman on Jan 14, 2011 21:46:53 GMT -5
I don't really understand the argument of people who want a higher powered Chikara set. Presumably, the most important thing about the partnership is that people who don't know about the game would buy the other LoW sets, and potentially the CotG sets as well. If the Chikara color set was meant as a stand alone set, and the cards were so powerful that they dominated all other cards, or had things that didn't mix well with previously printed cards, the usage of the Chikara set as a "gateway drug" is already compromised. I can't imagine even the staunchest Chikara supporter would want to have Quack or Claudio routinely beating Andre and RVD and such.
Perhaps an even better example would be this: I can only think that ALOT of current Chikara fans would like to book Chris Hero back into the fed. I don't think anyone would find it fun if Hero couldn't compete with Green Ant, let alone Mike Quackenbush.
Not trying to flame, or start an argument, just my thoughts. All that being said, I agree with pretty much everyone who has posted, in that this is a huge deal, I will be preordering as always, and I can't wait to see it.
Also, did we ever get a definitive answer on if this takes the place of LotF 4? I need Jimmy Rave!
JR.
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Post by jmello on Jan 14, 2011 23:11:19 GMT -5
I can't speak for everyone, but by "supped up" I would expect them to be upper 30's in the Rahl ratings. Currently the highest Rahl rating for any LOTF guy is Austin Aries with a 27. For a Chikara stand alone set, I would assume there would be some upper 30's. Maybe an increase in existing wrestlers by 5 to 10 Rahl rating points. Nobody has said they need to compete with Andre or an RVD, especially not "routinely beating". By saying that, you're taking the power ups to the extreme.
If it is defined as a separate stand alone fed then I'd see nothing wrong with the upper echelon being in the mid to upper 30's. Granted Tom doesn't use Rahl ratings anyway, but he knows what he is doing.
Regardless it isn't up to any of us, so we'll all have to wait and see. I hope everyone buys it regardless of how it is presented and can't wait to see all the artwork and colorization!
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Post by cruefan68 on Jan 14, 2011 23:43:26 GMT -5
I'll be buying the set, and likely pre-ordering, as I am a big fan of Chikara. If it turns out the cards are too powerful relative to existing LOW/LOTF cards I'll just play for fun. If they can be mixed in with the other cards I will probably add them as a new promotion in my existing LOW fed. Either way I'm looking forward to the set.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 0:43:06 GMT -5
IMO........... I see it as a 'STAND ALONE' set and will be treated as such. I for one am too 'anal' to mix color card with black and white cards and that's probably just me. That's ok, I'm fine with that. No matter what I think these cards look AMAZING and will be ordering asap. Come on Galacticon.
Beside you will always have the black and white cards to fall back on if you ever want Quackenbush to fight RVD. Just the way I see it.
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