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Post by chewey on Aug 29, 2011 22:13:58 GMT -5
I have to agree with Mark here. I also noticed how they were stating Mistico's legacy even while using a different performer... which to me is the same as claiming Doink the Clown was one half of one of the hottest tag teams in the nation in the Fabulous Ones when someone schmuck like Steve Lombardi or Ray Apollo was playing him.
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Post by swarm on Aug 29, 2011 22:24:37 GMT -5
PWInsider.com is reporting that following this week's WWE Smackdown taping at the Saddledome in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, company officials sat down with Luis Ignascio Urive Alvirde, aka Mistico, who originally played Sin Cara, and decided to send him home.
It was then decided that going forward, Jorge Aria, aka Hunico in FCW, will now exclusively play the Sin Cara character.
While it is unknown at this time exactly why WWE decided to send home Alvirde, and it's also unknown whether or not he will be released from the company, it is worth noting that WWE had to re-shoot Alvirde's match against Heath Slater at the SD! tapings due to several botched spots during the bout.Sounds like it was him in this news story It was Hunico, not Mistico, in the match on Smackdown this week that was supposedly so bad it had to be redone. That's not what I read. I read that Sin Cara blew the match and they re-did it with Hunico as the new Sin Cara. The original Sin Cara was then sent home. If you have a link to a credible story stating something different I haven't seen it. If you do please post it I'd like to check it out. Because honestly the first story is more believable. |
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Post by marktaggart on Aug 29, 2011 22:37:35 GMT -5
It was Hunico, not Mistico, in the match on Smackdown this week that was supposedly so bad it had to be redone. That's not what I read. I read that Sin Cara blew the match and they re-did it with Hunico as the new Sin Cara. The original Sin Cara was then sent home. If you have a link to a credible story stating something different I haven't seen it. If you do please post it I'd like to check it out. Because honestly the first story is more believable. More believable to you, because it's what you want to believe, but still wrong. Dave Meltzer (the most reliable of the BS dirtsheet guys) noted that it was Hunico/Incongnito that did the Smackdown TV match that had to be re-worked and edited. Here's a link to the Saturday update that briefly touches on that: www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/3-news/21912-sat-update-notes-on-tuesday-special-raw-sin-cara-flair-bischoff-wwe-star-returnsppv-predictI have neither the time nor the inclination to delve further, but there are several on-site reports on the internet. It is simply this: they want to use Mistico's pedigree in talking up this superstar performer they say they have, but they want to bait and switch and give a guy with no real background credentials in his place (again, barring this being a storyline move after all). That's a pretty low bait and switch, especially to the people of Mexico where they're going to be touring soon. Do they really think that mask will make people believe it's the same guy? Once again, it kind of smacks of the cheapness of WCW acting like Renegade was Ultimate Warrior. |
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Post by swarm on Aug 30, 2011 0:07:11 GMT -5
That's not what I read. I read that Sin Cara blew the match and they re-did it with Hunico as the new Sin Cara. The original Sin Cara was then sent home. If you have a link to a credible story stating something different I haven't seen it. If you do please post it I'd like to check it out. Because honestly the first story is more believable. More believable to you, because it's what you want to believe, but still wrong. No, more believable to me and everyone else because the guy botched every single match he was in. It's no different when you hear about Charlie Sheen punching a hooker. You're all like "Oh, that's Charlie being Charlie." Same thing with Sin Cara. When you read that he botched you believe it, because that's what he does. also, I don't see anything in that link about it. If it's there I'm not seeing it. |
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Post by marktaggart on Aug 30, 2011 0:24:03 GMT -5
More believable to you, because it's what you want to believe, but still wrong. No, more believable to me..... And yet still wrong. Just like the WWE pretending the guy in the ring belongs to the pedigree they're talking up: Mexican superstar, comic book made in his image, wrestling since 15. Instead its a guy who was a local wrestler in Juarez who had won a mini-tourney in CHIKARA and spent a few years in developmental. May as well call him Renegade 2 and be done with it. Here's the part of the post in question, for what it's worth: So, they've supposedly replaced the star they want the Mexican fans to believe they have with a developmental guy, but they still want to pretend like he has those international superstar credentials. Cheap, third-rate move from an otherwise top-flight company. |
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Post by Phoenix on Aug 30, 2011 1:18:28 GMT -5
why the *$#@ is fake sin cara going over Jack Swagger?!
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Post by swarm on Aug 30, 2011 1:25:24 GMT -5
No, more believable to me..... And yet still wrong. Just like the WWE pretending the guy in the ring belongs to the pedigree they're talking up: Mexican superstar, comic book made in his image, wrestling since 15. Instead its a guy who was a local wrestler in Juarez who had won a mini-tourney in CHIKARA and spent a few years in developmental. May as well call him Renegade 2 and be done with it. Here's the part of the post in question, for what it's worth: So, they've supposedly replaced the star they want the Mexican fans to believe they have with a developmental guy, but they still want to pretend like he has those international superstar credentials. Cheap, third-rate move from an otherwise top-flight company. If I am wrong that is fine, but please understand that isn't the point. The point is the reason everyone assumed it was the original Sin Cara is not because it's what people "wanted to believe." They believed it because he botched his entire WWE opportunity from day 1. He may have been a big star in Mexico, but he's Mexican Shockmaster in the USA. Perhaps he was simply over-hyped by guys like you and even the WWE. I never saw it,. Dude did more cartwheels and botched hurricanranas than Kelly Kelly. Perhaps he cracked under the pressure of wrestling on the biggest stage of them all? Mexican Ryan Leaf? El Leaf. Perhaps this is a budding storyline. Doubt it though. Dude busted. Jamarcus Cara. |
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Post by chewey on Aug 30, 2011 6:56:29 GMT -5
if it was the new Sin Cara that botched all of those moves, then I have to wonder... maybe whoever plays the Sin Cara character just can't see out of the mask? especially when they dim the lights to the golden lights?
I'd have to think that's a realistic possibility, given the dimmed lights part.
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Post by marktaggart on Aug 30, 2011 7:37:04 GMT -5
Rob, This is not the point. Whatever you think of the guy, the problem is that they're using Mistico's history and star status to talk up a guy with none of those credentials. They are lying to fans about who they are actually using in the ring. I made the Renegade analogy before, but it's actually much worse and cheaper than that because WCW only highly insinuated that he was Warrior; the WWE is actually claiming Hunico is someone he's not. And I'll write it again, if this is part of a storyline, they're "working" everyone, and Mistico shows up tonight on Smackdown, it will be understandable. If not, it's one of the most classless things they've done in a while. if it was the new Sin Cara that botched all of those moves, then I have to wonder... maybe whoever plays the Sin Cara character just can't see out of the mask? especially when they dim the lights to the golden lights? I'd have to think that's a realistic possibility, given the dimmed lights part. You know, I can't believe no one else has brought this up yet. I had mentioned it elsewhere but didn't want to be accused of "making excuses" for Mistico. The mask covers 100-percent of the face, the lights are dimmed, and they're asking guys to fly around the ring with practically no way to see what they're doing. Now that TWO guys who have a track record of hitting those spots over a period of many years have been missing moves left and right (Hunico so bad he had to do his match twice and have them edited together), it's pretty clear the full-face mask with the eyes covered was a bad idea. Notice that the televised Hunico matches have him using the safest "lucha lite" moves and going at a much slower pace. If even he, with years in the United States to get used to the style and the ability to communicate with opponents in English, is having problems I think the bottom line on the mask is that it looks great, but it's not practical at all. |
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Post by swarm on Aug 30, 2011 8:15:25 GMT -5
Rob, This is not the point. Whatever you think of the guy, the problem is that they're using Mistico's history and star status to talk up a guy with none of those credentials. It was my point. In fact I didn't comment at all on this part of the discussion. I was just saying the reason everyone automatically assumed the spoiler reports of the original Sin Cara botching were true because that's what he has been doing. I didn't notice the commentary about all this other stuff. So I don't have anything to say about it right now. Let's see what they say tonight when he fights ADR. |
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