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Post by swarm on Oct 30, 2011 18:43:19 GMT -5
Statement game today for the Lions. There was no cheering today. I almost watched with a little anger because this is what we expect from the Lions now and what they expect from themselves. The Lions should annihilate lesser teams compared to them. Today was more like business than any other this year. Great way to head into the bye week at 6-2.
Up next: re-match with Bears at Soldier. I like the Lions chances coming off a huge game by the D, Megatron and Stafford. Lions quickly becoming NFL Road Warriors now 6-0 away from Ford Field last 6 road games.
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Post by Sickman on Oct 30, 2011 21:07:37 GMT -5
I get that. I'm the same way. Hell, I don't agree with a lot of society. As far as Vick goes, thats just where we differ. I don't condone the actions; just tired of hearing about them.
I fully expect DA Bears to win this showdown. Give the ball to Forte and give Cutler time and they win. And then, there are the losses in which Mike Martz has his head up his ass.
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Post by Big Bri on Nov 21, 2011 23:18:26 GMT -5
Another great comeback win for Detroit. My blood pressure was off the damn chart watching that first half. I really thought they'd lost the mojo for good. Nice to go into the biggest game of the year just off a win. I won't even be able to eat on Thursday I'll be so nerved up!!! GO LIONS!
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Post by Crimson Cross on Nov 24, 2011 19:52:39 GMT -5
I was busy with family and only caught the 4th quarter and learning Suh was ejected from the game was a game changer. I didn't think the stomp was too bad, Rocket Ishmail (sp?) jumping on a players head up in the CFL was off the charts bad. I'm not sure if Suh will be suspended, but the NFL has their eye's on him and this add's to the fire. What are the thoughts of the Lions fans both here on the board and whats being said in Detroit?
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Post by swarm on Nov 25, 2011 1:13:09 GMT -5
I have remained relatively silent on the "dirty" team issue and Jim Schwartz being "classless". I've heard it so much I want to puke, and I don't blame our opposing fans either, at least not completely. I blame the league for turning fans into little sissy's. The league has focused so much on protecting players they have taken away the aggressive defenses ability to play. By doing this fans have gotten used to seeing offensive players running free, not getting hit, and keeping their uniforms clean the entire game. Now along comes the Lions a defensive team focused on knocking the crap out of opposing QB's and playing as violent as a team possibly can. I have seen this type of thing happen in many other facets of life. People becoming so comfortable with what an establishment forces them to devour; that when a group or team in this matter buck the current notion the people begin to get fanatical.
As far as the Lions being dirty; I see it like this, for years they were the leagues doormat and teams got used to having the easy win. Now the Lions are an intimidating force in the league and people are having a hard time adjusting to their brash swagger. The hits on the QB are simply a result on the style of defense they play. The wide-9 defense puts the DE's out wide so they can fly to the passer and knock him around and for the most part that has worked this year. The Lion defense is made up of hitters with speed, so they are always flying to the ball, plus the defense is made to be ultra aggressive, unlike the soft prevent defense that is the cover two.
The bottom line is this is football and "dirty" hits (if that's what you want to call them) happen all the time on both sides of the ball with every team. The Lions get called out because they are possibly the most violent team in the league. Personally I love it, the league needs some brevity; with all the emphasis on player protection and rules geared to make offenses look better than they really are.
Ndamukong Suh is not a dirty player. He is a violent player who wants to hurt people on the field, but he wants to do it with his God given abilities, not by cheating.
I think that one moment what the result of a whole season's worth of frustrations for him. He's been flagged for pushing Jay Cutler to the ground, pulling Marion Barber down the hair (neither being illegal in the NFL), along with many other questionable calls earning him a reputation as a dirty player, and it's obviously gotten under his skin.
The NFL even went as far as to call the Lions "Evil" the week they played the Broncos. I think teams realize how emotional Suh is, and do what they can to get him angry. The guy he kicked at today was holding him down, and another guy comes in and slams into him. That's dirty football. I think for a second Suh snapped. He feels the refs were slow to break that up and he reacted. He's clearly very frustrated with the refs, with the league and their rules. I think all that build up culminated in that play today.
I think he'll face suspension and his poor reputation will grow to be even bigger because that's how the media will play it.
The important thing is that Suh and the rest of the team remain focused, and not let what others say and think about them. Suh is 23 years old. Stafford is 23 years old. Calvin is 25 or something. Schwartz is a 3rd year coach. There's a lot of angst on this team but it comes with some of the best talent in the whole league. The Lions will mature. These guys aren't even close to their primes yet. This is just the beginning.
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Post by vx on Nov 25, 2011 8:03:40 GMT -5
People apparently don't like it when doormats stop being doormats. For years the Texans have been called soft and a finesse team. Now, in the best season of their existence, three different times the Texans have been called dirty, culminating in a Jacksonville sports reporter sending video tape and a letter to the league.
If Suh played for one of the NFL's darling teams (Packers or Colts for example) he would be treated a lot differently by the media and the league.
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Post by Crimson Cross on Nov 25, 2011 8:07:06 GMT -5
I have to agree the NFL once again is the No Fun League and molding it's brand to a less violent sport and I'm guessing it will not change and may get worse. Detroit in away can't win from the NFL/Media and that is they are either the Worst team in the NFL or now they are the Evil team that breaks the rules...
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Post by payback on Nov 25, 2011 10:27:45 GMT -5
Suh is definitely frustrated with how he's being officiated. That and the fact that 3 GB players had their hands on him sent him over the top. That being said, stomping on a player is way over the line and I wouldn't be surprised to see him get suspended. But Suh said he was holding the GB player's helmet down because he wouldn't let Suh go, then he gets pushed by another Packer player. I wouldn't argue Suh facing more punishment but some of the Packer players should face some repercussions as well.
I also don't like it when the broadcast team and everyone on ESPN is saying how he'll be facing a possible suspension. That's not their job. Just tell us what has and hasn't happened. But that's a different conversation.
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Post by johnandryan on Nov 25, 2011 21:43:50 GMT -5
I could not agree less with anything that I have read in this thread so far.
As a non-Lion fan, I think the Lions are definitely chippy, definitely emotionally immature, and commit far too many penalties such as this that ultimately hurt their own team.
Do I think Suh intentionally was holding the lineman's head down and slamming it into the ground because he would not let him go? No - it was a method of intimidation - one I used to use in my high school and college career myself - but as I look back on it, using guys as tables are not one of the points to be proud of.
I feel personally that Suh is dirty and Raiola is dirty. I respect VandenBosch and his style of play.
You can keep all your "swagger" and all of the gangster-rapper false bravado. I know as an opposing coach that Suh is going to lose his cool and hurt his team then I am going to push him at every turn, and now that I know the officials are looking out for him, all the better.
He has brought all of this on himself with his style. Just be honest - yes, I was frustrated and overreacted - but you don't stomp a guy unless you are auditioning for American History X.
I remember getting stomped myself once. I went back to the huddle, came off the ball like a mother the next play and put my helmet in my opponent's esophagus. He hit the ground like a safe, and next play - same result.
Do what you need to do within the legal limits of the game.
and please, all of you spare me about the talk of what goes on in and underneath the piles, how QB's are sissies, etc. I know all of this and it is the same point always made.
Stop being chippy. Play with a chip on your shoulder within the legal limits of the game.
that means - just win.
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Post by cman on Nov 27, 2011 2:42:37 GMT -5
The last time I checked this was TACKLE Football not FLAG Football. Pretty soon a player is going to get flagged for Unnessecary Roughness for laying one finger on his opponent. Should Suh have stomped on the guy? No, but to label him Dirty because of it is just plain stupid. This is football people, quit turning these guys into pansies and just let them play, if somebody gets hurt, that is just the name of the game.
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