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Post by maddog1981 on Aug 30, 2012 20:34:51 GMT -5
I'm a Cleveland fan, so I see this kind of stuff happen a lot. To me, it reeks of not having a plan for the configuration of your team.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 1, 2012 13:58:17 GMT -5
I'm a Cleveland fan, so I see this kind of stuff happen a lot. To me, it reeks of not having a plan for the configuration of your team. I just really see it alot differently. 1 year ago the Seahawks had no long term solution at QB and now they have 2 potentially good long term solutions at QB (and again they can always trade Flynn for other value if Russell Wilson proves capable of being the starter once the regular season starts.) I think the "bad management" comment about QBs is so much better deserved for the Arizona Cardinals. Unlike the Seahawks who did not give anything up to get Flynn, the Cardinals traded alot away 1 year ago for Kolb who is now just their backup and I think other teams would be far more likely to trade for Flynn than for Kolb. |
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Post by maddog1981 on Sept 1, 2012 14:03:24 GMT -5
But you spent 9 million on a backup. That's time and effort and money that could've been spent on other free agents. The team still has flaws and holes. Why not pass up Flynn and go after a better receiver or add some defensive help? That's my point about bad management. Good teams sign players that fit the overall plan. Bad teams change directions at the drop of a hat.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 1, 2012 14:20:11 GMT -5
But you spent 9 million on a backup. That's time and effort and money that could've been spent on other free agents. The team still has flaws and holes. Why not pass up Flynn and go after a better receiver or add some defensive help? That's my point about bad management. Good teams sign players that fit the overall plan. Bad teams change directions at the drop of a hat. I agree $9 million is alot for a backup QB (but again they signed Flynn a month before knowing they could draft Wilson in the 3rd round.) But right now Flynn is great insurance to have at the most important position in professional sports and they can probably always trade him and his salary for value (since other teams wanted Flynn too this offseason) once Russell Wilson proves himself in regular season action. As a Seahawk fan who has waited years for my team to have a potentially good young QB, I like the fact they have now have 2 different options.  Edit: On a side note about my Seahawks, I am really glad to see Braylon Edwards made the team- I just saw the final roster posted on the Seattle Times website! |
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Post by swarm on Sept 1, 2012 14:27:41 GMT -5
But you spent 9 million on a backup. That's time and effort and money that could've been spent on other free agents. The team still has flaws and holes. Why not pass up Flynn and go after a better receiver or add some defensive help? That's my point about bad management. Good teams sign players that fit the overall plan. Bad teams change directions at the drop of a hat. You still are looking at this in hindsight. They didn't spend 9 million on a back up. They spent 9 million for a QB because they had none. Every team still has flaws and holes every year. That's why the NFL drafts 232 new players every year. The Packers have one of the worst secondaries in football. You don't just take whatever money you have and go and "fix" your holes. It's not that easy. Your opinion mirrors fans who freak out when a team has a dire need (say CB) and instead uses their 1st round pick on a different position. Just because a team drafts a position of need early, or spends money on a free agent to fill a hole doesn't mean it's automatically fixed anything. Teams are only offered what is available, and it's up to teams to determine the worth of every player available. Sometimes, that guy just isn't there. No one team fills every hole or flaw every year. It just doesn't happen. Mismanaging the Seahawks would be to start Flynn over Wilson just because he gets paid more. W2's don't win games. Flynn has been hurt, and when he has played he hasn't looked good. Meanwhile, Russell Wilson is jiving with the offense and making plays to win football games, which is all that matters. Hate to use your own team against you, and maybe you will agree, but the Browns drafting a 29 year old QB in the 1st round out of the Big 12 which does nothing but produce NFL bust QB's is imo mismanaging. Hell, they drafted two QB's from the Big 12, not even learning their lesson the first time. Fact: the next Big 12 QB to become a star (or even really succeed) in the NFL will be the 1st one to ever do it. Every year I wonder why these "experts" keep plucking these spread offense QB's out of the Big 12 when no one from there has ever made it in the NFL. But every year, some dumb team does. pulled from an article to help support my opinion --
The Big 12 has largely failed to put a top-tier quarterback into the N.F.L. since the league was formed in 1996. There’s no debating that point: Brad Smith and Chase Daniel were all-timers at Missouri, but neither has made their mark as a quarterback on the next level — though Smith has carved out a niche as a do-everything wide receiver. Jason White, Zac Robinson, Chris Simms and so on down the line: it’s a long list.That list grows with the Titans taking Vince Young, then the Bucs taking Josh Freeman, then the Rams with Bradford (sorry Osk bro), then last year it was Jacksonville w Gabbert. This year 3 QB's from the Big 12 were taken. RG3, Tannehill and Weeden. I'm calling it right now. All 3 will bust. The Rams will probably be in position to take USC stand out Matt Barkley next year and finally get pointed in the right direction. Jax, Cleveland and Miami are screwed for the foreseeable future. The Skins at least covered their asses with the kid from Michigan State. He'll at least be able to gap between RG3 and whoever replaces him in 4 years. If Wilson emerges a star, Flynn becomes trade bait, or gets cut at the end of the year. In the NFL, guaranteed contracts don't exist. If Wilson struggles, they have an experienced vet backing him up this year. There are a lot of teams in the NFL who would like to have the Seahawks "problems" at QB right now. |
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Post by maddog1981 on Sept 1, 2012 15:22:51 GMT -5
Oh trust me, I could drag this thread into the pit of hell going on about what Cleveland has done and what I think is going to happen the next few years.
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Post by swarm on Sept 1, 2012 19:17:26 GMT -5
Oh trust me, I could drag this thread into the pit of hell going on about what Cleveland has done and what I think is going to happen the next few years. Ya we used to call the 'the Lions game'. Just be thankful your new owner isn't friends with Matt Millen. Honestly I think the Browns are finally in the right hands. Your new owner is coming from Pittsburgh where they know how to build a perennial contender. Might take a few years but once the Browns get a decent corps to build around, but I think Browns fans will finally get a team they can be proud of with the new ownership group. |
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Post by swarm on Sept 3, 2012 21:18:10 GMT -5
“I refuse to be average, I refuse to be good. My goal, is to be great.”
- Russell Wilson
They say this kid has work ethic that rivals Peyton Manning. Jump aboard the band wagon, fans. This kid is going to tear up the NFC West.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 8, 2012 6:54:56 GMT -5
Oh trust me, I could drag this thread into the pit of hell going on about what Cleveland has done and what I think is going to happen the next few years. Please don't. As a hardcore Seahawks fan, on the GBITG 2 1/ 2 years ago I accurately predicted the Browns were going nowhere with Mike Holmgren in his front office role. Mike Holmgren is a Hall of Fame coach, but a proven failure as an executive (but he is not the only reason for Cleveland's problems.) |
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Post by maddog1981 on Sept 9, 2012 1:39:54 GMT -5
I would make my own thread for that kind of badness.
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