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Post by swarm on Jul 14, 2009 13:11:28 GMT -5
If that's the second highest rated card don't think it's a good thing. He was WWE Champion. He probably should be the strongest guy in all of Legends. When *most* people buy LOW they are going to buy it because of guys like RVD. Remember, gerweck.net made LOW a front line story on their website only after RVD signed. RVD = Ratings. |
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Post by TDalton on Jul 14, 2009 13:19:14 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to start a debate, it was more of an observation.
As I noted, there are a lot of things the Rahl stat doesn't take into consideration. Trying to incorporate everything would be insane. For example:
- a reversal to L1O may be more beneficial to a guy with a strong L10 than a reversal to L2O is for a guy with a weak L2O.
- a "move-2 (ch F)" is potentially better than a straight "move-2" since it can result in putting the opponent down. It can also be reversed and put the opponent on offense.
- a Ring or Deathjump rating of "A" is probably worth more than a Ropes or Turnbuckle "A" because you can wind up on level 3 offense more often
It's a simple stat meant to give players a very rough idea where the card falls, although some promoters place greater reliance on the rating.
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Post by swarm on Jul 14, 2009 13:24:56 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to start a debate, it was more of an observation. As I noted, there are a lot of things the Rahl stat doesn't take into consideration. Trying to incorporate everything would be insane. For example: - a reversal to L1O may be more beneficial to a guy with a strong L10 than a reversal to L2O is for a guy with a weak L2O. - a "move-2 (ch F)" is potentially better than a straight "move-2" since it can result in putting the opponent down. It can also be reversed and put the opponent on offense. - a Ring or Deathjump rating of "A" is probably worth more than a Ropes or Turnbuckle "A" because you can wind up on level 3 offense more often It's a simple stat meant to give players a very rough idea where the card falls, although some promoters place greater reliance on the rating. Totally agree with this. Other things come into play like where a guy has his pin (1 or 6 is better than 2-5). Same goes for where his down's are etc... My statement had more to do with feeling like RVD should be the top guy, or at least a top 3 guy in all of Legends going by any system, not just the RR, based on his success. I'm pretty sure he is the only WWE Champion in LOW. That makes him the most successful signing ever. If Macho Man or Bret Hart signed, I would expect them to be the top guy in LOW just above RVD no questions asked since they were both WWF Champion for a much longer time. Either way, great job by the guys who do the LOW stats, and Rahl. Can't wait to start using these guys. |
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Post by TDalton on Jul 14, 2009 13:28:52 GMT -5
He was WWE Champion. He probably should be the strongest guy in all of Legends. We try to gear card strength based on the wrestler's place in the history of the sport. When Frank Gotch was world champion, he'd get front page newspaper coverage all across the country, was a household name and was one of the two or three biggest names in all of sports. RVD may sell more LOW games than Gotch, but I wouldn't put him at that level. |
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Post by payback on Jul 14, 2009 13:29:34 GMT -5
I agree with Tim that there are some things that the Rahl ratings can't measure: like if a guy has his PIN on a roll of a 6 - it seems a 6 roll happens less than a other numbers (even tho I know technically there is an equal chance to roll each number).
RVD is the biggest name in LOW so he should be the strongest. He was ECW TV champ for almost 2 yrs, WWE Hardcore and I-C Champ, not to mention WWE Champion.
No disrespect to Pesek but he wrestled in the 1920s and nobody knows who he is and RVD main evented WWE PPVs.
I love the LOW set! Best set so far for sure! Great job by the LOW crew!!
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Post by payback on Jul 14, 2009 13:31:37 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure he is the only WWE Champion in LOW. The Iron Sheik was WWE champ, too. |
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Post by executioner on Jul 14, 2009 13:54:05 GMT -5
I disagree that being a WWE champ makes a person the TOP LOW guy. Wrestling has been around LONG LONG before Hulkamania. While success in the WWE is a indicator of a wrestlers success, it is not the end all be all. Bockwinkel, Race, Gotch, and Rogers and others will always be considered amongst the very elite in the sport.
Selling game sets is very important, I truely get that. But moving games and card strength are two different things.
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Post by TDalton on Jul 14, 2009 14:12:20 GMT -5
No disrespect to Pesek but he wrestled in the 1920s and nobody knows who he is and RVD main evented WWE PPVs. Using Pesek and RVD as an example: One of the criteria I try to use is: Did more people in 1925 know who Pesek was than people in 2005 knew who RVD was? Unfortunately, I have no way to know the answer for sure, but based on my research and everything I've read, the answer would be yes. Although there were no PPV's, wrestlers and boxers were huge celebrities of the time. You may have lived on the West Coast and never seen John Pesek, but you were aware he was a world champion wrestler. |
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Post by Tournament Master on Jul 14, 2009 14:18:27 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure he is the only WWE Champion in LOW. The Iron Sheik was WWE champ, too. RVD should be 30% worse than Iron Sheik, as his WWE title reign was only 22 days to the Iron Sheik's 28 days.  |
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Post by graymar on Jul 14, 2009 14:20:02 GMT -5
WW(W)F(E) Champions in LOW
Buddy Rogers
Ivan Koloff
Antonio Inoki
Iron Sheik
Rob Van Dam
WCW Champions
Diamond Dallas Page
AWA Champions
The Crusher
Mad Dog Vachon
Nick Bockwinkel
Curt Hennig
Larry Zbyszko
ECW Champions
Jimmy Snuka
Don Muraco
The Sandman
Sabu
Justin Credible
Steve Corino
Rob Van Dam
NWA Champions
Buddy Rogers
Bobo Brazil
Harley Race
Giant Baba
Chris Candido
Dan Severn
Sabu
Steve Corino
Adam Pearce
Brent Albright
Nice groupings!
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