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Post by executioner on Jul 14, 2009 14:21:38 GMT -5
The Iron Sheik was WWE champ, too. RVD should be 30% worse than Iron Sheik, as his WWE title reign was only 22 days to the Iron Sheik's 28 days. LOL!! Good one TM!
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Post by TDalton on Jul 14, 2009 14:40:48 GMT -5
WWA Champions (Los Angeles) in LOW Rikidozan The Destroyer Bobo Brazil Iron Mike DiBiase
The WWA was considered a major world title during its heyday, so we always give that a little weight when looking at title reigns.
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Post by executioner on Jul 14, 2009 14:43:03 GMT -5
WWA Champions (Los Angeles) in LOW Rikidozan The Destroyer Bobo Brazil Iron Mike DiBiase The WWA was considered a major world title during its heyday, so we always give that a little weight when looking at title reigns. Now stop that Mr. Dalton. You know Vinny Mac says wrestling didnt exist before or outside of the WW(F)E.
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Post by magnumta on Jul 14, 2009 14:46:53 GMT -5
Originally posted by Executioner at 12:50 <<<<The wrestlers do not actually come to your place everyday. They don't really crawl into a real ring at your place.>>>> Yeah, they do.
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Post by payback on Jul 14, 2009 14:57:37 GMT -5
No disrespect to Pesek but he wrestled in the 1920s and nobody knows who he is and RVD main evented WWE PPVs. Using Pesek and RVD as an example: One of the criteria I try to use is: Did more people in 1925 know who Pesek was than people in 2005 knew who RVD was? Unfortunately, I have no way to know the answer for sure, but based on my research and everything I've read, the answer would be yes. Although there were no PPV's, wrestlers and boxers were huge celebrities of the time. You may have lived on the West Coast and never seen John Pesek, but you were aware he was a world champion wrestler. So you think more people knew who Pesek was in the 1920s when he wrestled in the territorial system and the main mass communication tool was newspaper and AM radio? RVD wrestled in a time with cable & satellite TV along with the internet where some kid in Australia can easily find an RVD match with the click of a button. I don't see how you can think that Pesek was more well known, but I respect your opinion, of course. I understand he was great in his time but these guys are designed to fight each other so I think you now have to start comparing them to each other, not just in the time they wrestled.
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Post by swarm on Jul 14, 2009 14:58:33 GMT -5
WWA Champions (Los Angeles) in LOW Rikidozan The Destroyer Bobo Brazil Iron Mike DiBiase The WWA was considered a major world title during its heyday, so we always give that a little weight when looking at title reigns. Now stop that Mr. Dalton. You know Vinny Mac says wrestling didnt exist before or outside of the WW(F)E. Actually that isn't true. Anyone who has ever watches WWE 24/7, purchased any WWE produced DVD's or payed attention to the WWE HOF knows Vince gives much respect to the entire history of wrestling. More people knew who Frank Gotch was in 1925 than who RVD was in 2005... Not sure about that one, being the age of the Internet and all but whatever - I have heard the horror stories about the LOW debates that take place outside of the COTG world - and that wasn't my intention. Of course wrestling was around before "Hulkamania", but without "Hulkamania", it probably wouldn't be around today and we wouldn't even have a LOW game to debate. I have as much respect for the history of wrestling as anyone else, but the bottom line is a business is a business. I would imagine the *majority* of fans buying and playing LOW don't want to see RVD looking weaker than Frank Gotch, Bockwinkel, and Race. While at the same time, this is the opinion of a young 30 something fan whereas guys like Executioner pushing 40, like the older guys. I can understand that. I can understand both sides is what I'm saying and I hope the other side does too - but when the smoke clears, ya gotta do what is *best* for business and having guys 40 year old fans like dominating the roster probably isn't what is going to sell the most games.
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Post by payback on Jul 14, 2009 14:59:40 GMT -5
I disagree that being a WWE champ makes a person the TOP LOW guy. Wrestling has been around LONG LONG before Hulkamania. While success in the WWE is a indicator of a wrestlers success, it is not the end all be all.. Actually it is. Even before Vince bought the company from his dad, the WWWF/WWF/WWE has always been the most prestigious territory/company in wrestling, like it or not.
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Post by payback on Jul 14, 2009 15:00:31 GMT -5
Now stop that Mr. Dalton. You know Vinny Mac says wrestling didnt exist before or outside of the WW(F)E. Actually that isn't true. Anyone who has ever watches WWE 24/7, purchased any WWE produced DVD's or payed attention to the WWE HOF knows Vince gives much respect to the entire history of wrestling. More people knew who Frank Gotch was in 1925 than who RVD was in 2005... Not sure about that one, being the age of the Internet and all but whatever - I have heard the horror stories about the LOW debates that take place outside of the COTG world - and that wasn't my intention. Of course wrestling was around before "Hulkamania", but without "Hulkamania", it probably wouldn't be around today and we wouldn't even have a LOW game to debate. I have as much respect for the history of wrestling as anyone else, but the bottom line is a business is a business. I would imagine the *majority* of fans buying and playing LOW don't want to see RVD looking weaker than Frank Gotch, Bockwinkel, and Race. While at the same time, this is the opinion of a young 30 something fan whereas guys like Executioner pushing 40, like the older guys. I can understand that. I can understand both sides is what I'm saying and I hope the other side does too - but when the smoke clears, ya gotta do what is *best* for business and having guys 40 year old fans like dominating the roster probably isn't what is going to sell the most games. QFT!
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Post by executioner on Jul 14, 2009 15:02:59 GMT -5
I disagree that being a WWE champ makes a person the TOP LOW guy. Wrestling has been around LONG LONG before Hulkamania. While success in the WWE is a indicator of a wrestlers success, it is not the end all be all.. Actually it is. Even before Vince bought the company from his dad, the WWWF/WWF/WWE has always been the most prestigious territory/company in wrestling, like it or not. Um, ever hear about an outfit called the NWA? Rogers and Race did.
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Post by darthcaedus on Jul 14, 2009 16:56:01 GMT -5
If you, the Promoter, are hung up more on Ratings and less on the enjoyment of playing the game and seeing where the dice lead you--well, you the Promoter and fearer of the dreaded Rahl ratings, need to go back and remember what this game is about. LOL! The "dreaded Rahl rating"!! Had a really good laugh reading that line!!! Rahl
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