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Post by LAWraith on Mar 5, 2021 10:23:24 GMT -5
It's funny, I only use choice for situations like was just mentioned though Jim hasnt hit a moonsault yet ROFL
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Post by starlord on Mar 5, 2021 13:42:36 GMT -5
I always thought the ag pw checks should have been a roll comparing both wrestlers' stats. This is wrestling and even though one guy is way smaller than the other most of the time he can still body slam the bigger guy or do most moves. Make it a 7 or less adding in the difference between the two scores. Just because you have +4 something shouldn't mean you'll never hit that move unless the other guy is a +4 too. I know we're 34 years into the game system but that's what I thought would be better. I had always thought this as well. Chaos's choice D power move should be much harder to counter than Death Masque's choice D power move. It's actually how I originally understood it should work for the first 10 years I played, then I met someone else who played in person around 1999 and they had me reread the rule. I went with the correct way after that, but always thought in reality it wouldn't really work like that. Either way, I would never play without the advanced rules. It's just not as realistic or varied without them. |
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Post by on_the_edge on Mar 5, 2021 16:42:16 GMT -5
That is the way I do it. I do not understand the other way. If you have to use the chart then the move should just be (ch letter). I mean otherwise the move that is listed on the card is never actually used. So why put it on the card at all. The choice charts are the advanced rules. If you don't use those rules then you use the move that is listed. That is why there is a move and level number there. OK that makes sense. It has been DECADES since I read the rules so I was playing right, more or less. I just saw one description and I misunderstood it and thought it was simply ignore the move. My bad. |
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Post by on_the_edge on Mar 5, 2021 16:43:47 GMT -5
It's funny, I only use choice for situations like was just mentioned though Jim hasnt hit a moonsault yet ROFL He only pulls that out on PPVs. |
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Post by gman75 on Mar 5, 2021 22:28:18 GMT -5
It wasn’t until recently that I started using the choice situations as described in the rule book. The way I used to use them was giving the wrestler the choice on his card or 1 of the 2 moves on the choice chart. Example: Nosfera rolls on L2 punch to the head-2 (ch A) I either let him do the punch to the head or move 1 throw opponent into the ropes or move 2 a belly to belly suplex -2 . What do you do on a - 3 (ch D/E/G/H) ? I assume you just go ahead w the - 3 move. Maybe a house rule like after acquiring 3 fatigue tokens they must roll on the ch chart might work good for you. Something where once the PIN rating is at a certain point they have to try and roll on the ch chart to hit the - 3 move. i like the idea of acquiring tokens and having to roll on the choice chart. To answer your question, it depends upon the wrestler. For instance I can’t foresee Rotunda trying a scorpion deathlock so I would use the level 3 move. I like the idea of the tokens the more I think of it and might try that tomorrow when I do my 2122 end of the year card. |
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Post by tystates on Mar 5, 2021 23:21:06 GMT -5
Whatever move you picture in your head is up to you. This thread was about how the ch rule works and if you want to do it that way or not. Every move on the card you can change in your mind and do the rolls on the choice chart if you want or not.
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Post by TTX on Mar 6, 2021 9:49:43 GMT -5
One of the reasons for the new vintage charts I believe is so you don't have to deal with Frank Gotch moonsaults and the like.
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Post by Joe Peace on Mar 6, 2021 9:54:39 GMT -5
When I was a young promoter, I thought you had the option of either doing the rolled move or rolling the Choice Situations chart.
I now use the Choice Situations chart 100 percent when playing. I like that it adds another element of chance to the game play and it's part of the advanced rules. I'm no rulebreaker.
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Post by Swarm on Mar 6, 2021 10:52:03 GMT -5
One of the reasons for the new vintage charts I believe is so you don't have to deal with Frank Gotch moonsaults and the like. Sounds like all the ch chart issues can be solved by printing a new one and simply replacing the maneuvers on the chart to “The Move Listed - 3” or “The Move Listed - 2”. |
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Post by Vegas on Mar 6, 2021 15:05:54 GMT -5
I think Rob's idea of changing the choice charts to just say The Move Listed - 3 or The Move Listed - 2 (or the chart situation for choices A, B, G, and H) is a great idea.
The choice carts are really not so much about the alternative moves listed on the chart (because regardless with the choices I am just having the wrestler attempt the move specifically listed for him or her on his actual card and it is just a question of the impact of the move and if he/she hits the move at all.) Instead, the choice charts are more about things such as potential defensive reversals and card strength.
And, although I have a set of all the charts stapled on my wall near where I usually play the game in my work area for occasional quick reference, I basically have them memorized like the other charts so they are not slowing things down while I am playing the game.
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