WWF stuff

[Swarm]

Aug 3, 2021 9:11:55 GMT -5 LAWraith said:

I dont follow the dirt sheets unless we count you people lol ... I cant watch an entire episode of RAW or Smackdown because it's too scripted, I cant watch an entire episode of AEW cause it has no direction and sometimes seems like glorified gymnastics.



They’re both pretty bad shows compared to the past if we’re being honest. More people watched TNA than AEW. But the super cards typically deliver without all the commercials, breaks and horribly scripted promos.

[Blehschmidt]

Aug 3, 2021 10:05:12 GMT -5 Swarm said:

Aug 3, 2021 9:53:02 GMT -5 Blehschmidt said:

So, you are saying that in order to enjoy the current WWE product, we have to try and put the genie back in the bottle and resume Kayfabe in the year 2021.

Obviously the problem is with all of us and not the product then.....

Well you said it yourself. Keith Lee is being booked bad in your opinion. So he’s your big hero and mean old out of touch Vince is the bad guy.

You don’t buy a ticket to watch backstage stuff. You buy it to watch what’s in the ring.

I'm honestly not even sure what you are trying to get at anymore. Kayfabe is dead. As long as the internet is around, there is no such thing as going back to watching like we used too. It would be lovely, but it's impossible.

I don't understand this current mindset where people who like WWE think that AEW and everything about it sucks, and that it's garbage, and that people who are leaving are traitors. I also don't understand the AEW people who want WWE to fail.

I bash WWE, but it's not because I hate them. I want the product to be good. I just don't think it is. I want their to be several viable wrestling companies that people can enjoy. I want it to be like it was when we were young. I long for the days of having WWF, NWA, AWA, World Class, and more on the TV. It's why I mostly stick to watching and collecting old footage.


But I have to tell you, between this take, and the Kenny Omega must be kicking himself take from the other day, I'm beginning to think you are part of the "WWE is the pinnacle, and we all owe Vince a debt of gratitude for saving the wrestling business from smoke filled bingo halls" group that seems to be so prevelant these days after 20 straight years of the E Monopoly.

Didn't expect that from the guy making the NWA UBU sets!

[Swarm]

Aug 3, 2021 10:59:13 GMT -5 Blehschmidt said:

Aug 3, 2021 10:05:12 GMT -5 Swarm said:

Well you said it yourself. Keith Lee is being booked bad in your opinion. So he’s your big hero and mean old out of touch Vince is the bad guy.

You don’t buy a ticket to watch backstage stuff. You buy it to watch what’s in the ring.

I'm honestly not even sure what you are trying to get at anymore.

]But I have to tell you, between this take, and the Kenny Omega must be kicking himself take from the other day, I'm beginning to think you are part of the "WWE is the pinnacle, and we all owe Vince a debt of gratitude for saving the wrestling business from smoke filled bingo halls" group that seems to be so prevelant these days after 20 straight years of the E Monopoly.

Didn't expect that from the guy making the NWA UBU sets!

You didn’t get that from me because those are your words. Not mine. And a lot to put in my mouth btw.

Glad you enjoy those sets though,

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Where'd this go so far off the rails..?

My only thought was, IMO, it seems that VKM has a vendetta towards NXT.

Taking their beast champion, stripping Scarlett from him and have him lose two out of three matches on RAW. One to Jeff Hardy..? There's absolutely nothing wrong with losing to Keith Lee.

Who does this benefit?.. surely not NXT.
Stripping, not recognizing, Charlotte of three NXT title reigns.

Why make your most popular brand look bad?

You don't have to read the dirt sheets, which I don't, you just have to have eyes to see something is amiss IMO.

[Swarm]

Aug 3, 2021 12:45:16 GMT -5 @kevinb said:

Where'd this go so far off the rails..?

My only thought was, IMO, it seems that VKM has a vendetta towards NXT.

Taking their beast champion, stripping Scarlett from him and have him lose two out of three matches on RAW. One to Jeff Hardy..? There's absolutely nothing wrong with losing to Keith Lee.

Who does this benefit?.. surely not NXT.
Stripping, not recognizing, Charlotte of three NXT title reigns.

Why make your most popular brand look bad?

You don't have to read the dirt sheets, which I don't, you just have to have eyes to see something is amiss IMO.

I’ve been enjoying the whole storyline since Jeff Hardy appeared. Loves the result. Don’t think it made NXT look bad at all. Why would it? In wrestling one guy wins and one guy loses every single match every single time. It’s not a big deal unless you make it a big deal. Hell, half the guys in AEW are there because they feel like they didn’t win enough in WWE. What has changed? Do wrestlers not lose in AEW? Does Moxley suck now because he lost a bunch of matches in AEW?

Keith Lee vs KK has been highly entertaining. Two guys I really like in there together.

🤷‍♂️

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Why not recognize Charlotte's 3 NXT title reigns?
They use to count them, why all of a sudden not?

I respect your opinion and you are definitely entitled to it, as I am mine.

It just really looks like VKM is trying to put HHH in his place, right or wrong that's how it seems to me.

[Swarm]

Aug 3, 2021 13:11:42 GMT -5 @kevinb said:

Why not recognize Charlotte's 3 NXT title reigns?
They use to count them, why all of a sudden not?

I respect your opinion and you are definitely entitled to it, as I am mine.

It just really looks like VKM is trying to put HHH in his place, right or wrong that's how it seems to me.

Because NXT is their developmental fed. It’s not a WWE world title. It’s an indy fed which means the titles are indy titles. The same reason Tom Brady’s NCCA title at MI doesn’t count as his 8th Super Bowl ring.

I did read that Vince is moving away from the smaller indy era guys and working towards using guys 6 foot and 220 +. It is possible Vince has gotten cold on NXT seeing them lose to AEW. But I don’t think KK, Lee, Hardy or any of the stuff on RAW has anything to do with it.

[Shon Maxx]

I don’t watch nxt, mostly because I don’t get the channel. However lately I’ve had a hard time getting into anything WWE. If fact, I really only watch it on YouTube.

At this point the only two reasons I watch the show are Lashley and Alexa Bliss.

[Tournament Master]

I disagree with the notion that kayfabe is dead. I think it has just evolved some. Fans can still be worked in a way to play with emotions and their conceptions about what is real and what isn't. It is just done in a different way in the social media world.

As far as the Hardy thing, he got a win cheating and the situation got an emotional response from fans. Unfortunately he had to be pulled from TV because of COVID, so we really couldnt see how the story would have played out. Its possible it could have developed into an interesting storyline and brought all the questions fans have about Vince sabotaging NXT into the story on the show itself and blurred those lines more. Maybe I am giving Vince too much credit, but I cant count out anything in wrestling in 2021 if history has taught us anything.

[Pete]

I really don't have any doubt that Vince has soured on NXT as a brand after their Wednesday Night War failure, or perceived failure. HHH feels more and more marginalized practically every day.

The Lee-Kross stuff is whatever, though it sure comes to me more as writers throwing darts at a board to decide who goes over rather than any sort of grand plan. What completely baffles me is the stuff with Nikki Cross and Charlotte. So Nikki gets destroyed by Charlotte one week and loses a virtual squash, but is happy anyway because she "almost" won. She challenges Charlotte again, gets killed most of the way again, but wins on a banana-peel finish. This is a title shot eliminator match for Charlotte (even though she already squashed the champion), but Charlotte's in the triple threat at SummerSlam anyway even though she lost the rematch? And if you're booking Nikki as a plucky underdog building to a big payoff, that's one thing, but Nikki is already the Women's Champion. I don't get why you would book a babyface champion like that and I'm flabbergasted at how badly WWE has dropped the ball on this when booking babyface champions was a longtime staple and strong suit of the company. The way they're booking Nikki, it's like Rudy making a game-winning sack for Notre Dame during the opening credits--just completely backwards. And it's really hard to get invested in a wrestling storyline when wins and losses matter so little.

Nikki being the Women's Champion also speaks to my issues with Money in the Bank as a concept--I'm not sure it's ever really worked to get anyone over outside of Edge and RVD. All it really seems to do is create an endless series of champions who win the title on a fluke of the rules and not because they're the best guy or woman in the division.

Edit: Regarding NXT, they made a big to-do about how it was "no longer developmental" when it went to USA and was instead a third brand. If they want to treat it as developmental, fine, but to acknowledge Charlotte's title reigns before and then go back on it for no perceptible reason afterward is yet another instance of WWE booking as they go without any regard for anything that happened a week or more ago. It's also hard to see it as "developmental" when you have lifers there like Cole and Ciampa and Gargano who not only have been in "developmental" for years but in some cases were actively fighting being moved to the main roster. You don't see NCAA championships being counted with Super Bowl rings, but you also don't have guys deciding to give the NFL a pass and trying to get an 8th year of college eligibility because they're happier there, either.