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Post by Wookie7969 on Apr 16, 2022 20:24:22 GMT -5
Just roll once for everything. I'm not sure what you're getting out of rolling multiple times. Less chance of a DQ and when I started playing I would roll 3 times on a pin to simulate the 1,2,3. However I've since stopped this because matches were going waaaaay too long. I keep it now for main events or special attractions |
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Post by Travis605 on Apr 16, 2022 20:36:57 GMT -5
Just roll once for everything. I'm not sure what you're getting out of rolling multiple times. I honestly dont get the multiple rolls on anything. I think it takes away from the purity of the game. To solve the DQ issue, I just lower everyones DQ by one. Solves a lot without the two rolls. |
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Post by Bazzy on Apr 17, 2022 3:56:51 GMT -5
Yes I roll three times for EVERY match not just the Champions . Not as many 0min09 matches in my new fed  . But still created a few upsets |
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Post by malicelover on Apr 19, 2022 9:58:39 GMT -5
Just roll once for everything. I'm not sure what you're getting out of rolling multiple times. , the rolling multiple times makes it so you don't have a ton of dqs. Case in point, the original charts had dqs for a lot of rolls - once on death jump, at least three situations on the out of the ring, etc. - and also higher disqualification ratings - anything over 5 - that you could have cards dominated by dqs. Rolling twice makes it more like a real wrestling card. I don't think I'd find a card where half of the matches result in dqs interesting. |
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Post by natureboi on Apr 19, 2022 10:35:07 GMT -5
Just roll once for everything. I'm not sure what you're getting out of rolling multiple times. , the rolling multiple times makes it so you don't have a ton of dqs. Case in point, the original charts had dqs for a lot of rolls - once on death jump, at least three situations on the out of the ring, etc. - and also higher disqualification ratings - anything over 5 - that you could have cards dominated by dqs. Rolling twice makes it more like a real wrestling card. I don't think I'd find a card where half of the matches result in dqs interesting. Not a Russo fan, I take it? 😉 |
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Post by natureboi on Apr 19, 2022 10:42:32 GMT -5
Just roll once for everything. I'm not sure what you're getting out of rolling multiple times. I honestly dont get the multiple rolls on anything. I think it takes away from the purity of the game. To solve the DQ issue, I just lower everyones DQ by one. Solves a lot without the two rolls. It's all about dice rolls and success probabilities. So a pin rating that has a 17 percent success ratio if one roll is required has less than half of one percent success if 3 rolls are required. You fail 200 times to succeed once. Ergo the marathon matches. |
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Post by malicelover on Apr 19, 2022 12:34:50 GMT -5
Brad , the rolling multiple times makes it so you don't have a ton of dqs. Case in point, the original charts had dqs for a lot of rolls - once on death jump, at least three situations on the out of the ring, etc. - and also higher disqualification ratings - anything over 5 - that you could have cards dominated by dqs. Rolling twice makes it more like a real wrestling card. I don't think I'd find a card where half of the matches result in dqs interesting. Not a Russo fan, I take it? 😉 I think one would be hard pressed to find a card where something like five matches ended in DQ. Ask me again when I hit 2101 when they updated the Out of the Ring and Death Jump charts to reflect more "current" matches. I may be more of a fan of Russo at that point  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2022 13:52:00 GMT -5
Just roll once for everything. I'm not sure what you're getting out of rolling multiple times. , the rolling multiple times makes it so you don't have a ton of dqs. Case in point, the original charts had dqs for a lot of rolls - once on death jump, at least three situations on the out of the ring, etc. - and also higher disqualification ratings - anything over 5 - that you could have cards dominated by dqs. Rolling twice makes it more like a real wrestling card. I don't think I'd find a card where half of the matches result in dqs interesting. Rolling twice for DQ’s makes the meat of James Beard as a referee superfluous. Unless one should roll for a disqualification *three* times when he is the referee. I have only ever used one roll for PIN/submission attempts and one for disqualifications. I’ve never had a problem with it in the former case, as dealing with a surprise/fluke win is part of the enjoyment of the game. In the latter case, I think the chances of getting a DQ result are being overstated. Consider: to get a DQ on the original deathjump chart, you had to have a wrestler roll down-3 or survive a PIN or submission attempt. Then you have to roll a deathjump on the attacker’s L3O. Then you have to roll the DQ result on the deathjump chart. Then you have to fail the DQ check. That’s a lot of trigger points, with much greater odds against moving towards a DQ at each step. The percentages would depend on chart ratings and the number of down-3’s on a card. Still, the aggregate percentage of seeing a DQ on a deathjump is pretty remote, and while the odds of getting a DQ result on an out of the ring are higher, there is still a much larger percentage that there will be no DQ (again, in the aggregate). |
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Post by Travis605 on Apr 19, 2022 16:12:08 GMT -5
Just roll once for everything. I'm not sure what you're getting out of rolling multiple times. , the rolling multiple times makes it so you don't have a ton of dqs. Case in point, the original charts had dqs for a lot of rolls - once on death jump, at least three situations on the out of the ring, etc. - and also higher disqualification ratings - anything over 5 - that you could have cards dominated by dqs. Rolling twice makes it more like a real wrestling card. I don't think I'd find a card where half of the matches result in dqs interesting. Honestly, the simple thing I do is just subtract one from everyone's DQ rating. It makes a huge difference without rolling twice. Most of the charts today have adjusted so they don't have the DQs like the original charts, so not sure how thats relevant unless you just like using the original charts |
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Post by Swarm on Apr 19, 2022 16:44:41 GMT -5
Interesting debate. I didn’t know people were so passionate about this subject.
But the story behind it is that It’s a GCON thing. And more so a COTG thing than an LOW thing. Too many disqualifications in tournaments from snake eyes and similar low rolls. Been rolling twice for DQ for so long it may as well be an official rule. Tom started lowering the DQ ratings of guys around New Beginnings - that just led to a flood of 3’s ,4’s and 5’s on characters who should have a 5 or a 6. Steel Freak was a 6 when he should have been a 7. Tom quickly re-adjusted, and by 2125 (prob sooner - just going by memory) this experiment was canned and you see more 5’s and 6’s w 4’s being reserved for the white meat baby faces, and 7’s for the uncontrollable brawlers.
I wouldn’t suggest changing official stats on cards - especially LOW cards where the dis ratings are historically accurate - if purity is your goal, but it’s up to you, promoter.
Rolling twice is really as simple as simulating the temperament of a lenient referee. First roll is a warning.
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. But still created a few upsets 
