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Post by swarm on Mar 20, 2012 14:41:19 GMT -5
I did not think so. If you were, you'd probably feel very differently about that.
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Post by Pete on Mar 20, 2012 14:43:46 GMT -5
I'd probably feel different if I lived in Iraq or Afghanistan or Timbuktu as well, but I don't. Hypotheticals and what-ifs rarely interest me.
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Post by Mr. Hyde on Mar 20, 2012 14:45:33 GMT -5
Any point you'd like to bring up about how all Occupiers are spoiled college kids, in reference to my point about the elderly woman? Ok, let me try put this more clearly. I AM DONE DEBATING WITH YOU. So please keep your Occupier tee shirt for yourself. Despite being the evil conservative you choose to rail against, I am moving on. I served and defended the right to free speech, including yours. I did not do it to engage in a discussion that is going nowhere. I don't think you're evil. According to Occupiers, you, me, and all of them are on the same side because we fall within the 99%. You've obviously worked very hard for the things you have. If certain things were different at the very top income brackets, it's possible you wouldn't have to work so damn hard. But this isn't about Occupy or Tea Party ideals, it's about a real public problem (unruly protesters) and what some perceive as a bad "solution" to that problem. Have a good remainder of the day.
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Post by executioner on Mar 20, 2012 14:47:47 GMT -5
Ok, let me try put this more clearly. I AM DONE DEBATING WITH YOU. So please keep your Occupier tee shirt for yourself. Despite being the evil conservative you choose to rail against, I am moving on. I served and defended the right to free speech, including yours. I did not do it to engage in a discussion that is going nowhere. Thanks, Sir and you too. May the next time we chat it be about the COTG or LOW. I don't think you're evil. According to Occupiers, you, me, and all of them are on the same side because we fall within the 99%. You've obviously worked very hard for the things you have. If certain things were different at the very top income brackets, it's possible you wouldn't have to work so damn hard. But this isn't about Occupy or Tea Party ideals, it's about a real public problem (unruly protesters) and what some perceive as a bad "solution" to that problem. Have a good remainder of the day.
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Post by Mr. Hyde on Mar 20, 2012 15:00:26 GMT -5
They raise awareness, kind of like Girl Scouts without cookies. Protests do get out of control... I'd argue that they conjure up more hate than awareness. Like I keep repeating, there are far more constructive, and SAFE ways of getting your voice out there. And if what they did was as innocent as selling cookies, then this bill would not have been passed. Are you an active protester? I'm not an active protester, but unfortunately I'm in center-city Philly every day, so I've been pretty well exposed to protests and riots of all sorts. I get what you're saying. I don't agree that protesting itself is bad, but I do agree that we have safer and efficient ways to express ourselves. The whole Kony 2012 stuff proves that. I'm not a protester, because I actually prefer to discuss with friends and family face to face and online about these things, just like you've suggested. There are unruly protests. They're not always innocent. They do go too far. I just don't like this specific solution to the problem. I don't trust the administration that has enabled it, and the idea of it seems to me to be in the same vein of potential bills that could seek to restrict our safer, more efficient ways of communicating. Google, Facebook, and Twitter creep me out enough already.
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Post by swarm on Mar 20, 2012 15:01:06 GMT -5
I'd probably feel different if I lived in Iraq or Afghanistan or Timbuktu as well, but I don't. Hypotheticals and what-ifs rarely interest me. Do you ever plan to get married, have kids? Buy a home? If all those are NO then it's up to you to accept that the country is not run by or designed for single guy living in apt. forever. Nothing wrong with choosing that kind of lifestyle, but don't act so surprised when the majority of people are working to build the country to accommodate themselves and not the outcasts by choice. Meanwhile most people are suffering with falling home prices, increased foreclosures and inability to get out of upside down loans. But you don't have a home. So that doesn't affect you. So you call the guy that tried to stop all that the worst President ever. Not the guy who voted it in - the guy who tried to stop it. crazy pills
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Post by Mr. Hyde on Mar 20, 2012 15:02:57 GMT -5
Thanks, Sir and you too. May the next time we chat it be about the COTG or LOW. I don't think you're evil. According to Occupiers, you, me, and all of them are on the same side because we fall within the 99%. You've obviously worked very hard for the things you have. If certain things were different at the very top income brackets, it's possible you wouldn't have to work so damn hard. But this isn't about Occupy or Tea Party ideals, it's about a real public problem (unruly protesters) and what some perceive as a bad "solution" to that problem. Have a good remainder of the day. So how about that Abraham Lincoln card coming up? ;D
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Post by Phoenix on Mar 20, 2012 15:07:07 GMT -5
I guess we just live in different worlds. And since we are casting stones, it does take a special talent to QUADRUPLE the national debt in 3 years. ::scratches head:: My math skills have deteriorated since school but when Bush left office the debt was about $10 trillion, and it's $11.4 trillion now. Um..no.. Bush doubled it to 10-11 Trillion, and Obama has added just about what Bush did 8 years..in 3. The national debt now is almost 16 Trillion.
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Post by swarm on Mar 20, 2012 15:10:52 GMT -5
I'd argue that they conjure up more hate than awareness. Like I keep repeating, there are far more constructive, and SAFE ways of getting your voice out there. And if what they did was as innocent as selling cookies, then this bill would not have been passed. Are you an active protester? I'm not an active protester, but unfortunately I'm in center-city Philly every day, so I've been pretty well exposed to protests and riots of all sorts. I get what you're saying. I don't agree that protesting itself is bad, but I do agree that we have safer and efficient ways to express ourselves. The whole Kony 2012 stuff proves that. I'm not a protester, because I actually prefer to discuss with friends and family face to face and online about these things, just like you've suggested. There are unruly protests. They're not always innocent. They do go too far. I just don't like this specific solution to the problem. I don't trust the administration that has enabled it, and the idea of it seems to me to be in the same vein of potential bills that could seek to restrict our safer, more efficient ways of communicating. Google, Facebook, and Twitter creep me out enough already. I think overall we agree more than disagree. Especially with the protest stuff. For me it's a safety thing more than anything. Also a great opportunity for protestors to challenge themselves to become something more than a mob creating a scene. Protest all you want. But use your brain to do it. Probably get a better response that way.
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Post by swarm on Mar 20, 2012 15:46:31 GMT -5
I'd just like to go on the record saying I DO think Executioner is evil. That's why he hangs out with Thantos.
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