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Post by Travis605 on Jun 5, 2022 19:44:28 GMT -5
I'm gonna throw my $.02 in here since I REALLY do like the collectability of Filsinger Games products. I do think there should be things that are limited runs (as was mentioned contractually or as an LE). I also believe there comes a point in which business decisions dictate not making another run on the older editions... However, I would also say that it would be good in the vein of special individual cards that are intended as LE or giveaways that there is a distinguishing mark/label on the cards to identify first run, second run, etc. to differentiate between them and keep the collectability aspect of cards. I'd have ZERO issue if a SE was released with, say a specific King Kong Bundy background and after that, it's just the Legends background. I just don't want this to turn into a collectible card game. That's not what it should be especially since this is a niche game and not some huge pokemon world wide game. I don't want to penalize promoters who may have just discovered the game, say last Wednesday. I want people to enjoy the game, learn about the history of wrestling. That's what it should be about. |
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Post by DK II on Jun 5, 2022 20:27:20 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of maybe releasing LE/out of print cards as digital print at home versions. Basically you get one limited, collectable, official, physical run...and then an unlimited anyone can do it, non-collectable, run. I would not have a problem with this... I'd have ZERO issue if a SE was released with, say a specific King Kong Bundy background and after that, it's just the Legends background. I just don't want this to turn into a collectible card game. I would have no problem with this either...although I do have to chuckle because at one point in time (and may be still on the website) Filsinger Games is referred to as a Collectable Card Game. It is not in the "widely accepted definition of "CCGs" but could be construed as such. What you suggest is what I am talking about...different art, different background art, something on the back that say LE #XXX of XXX, or First Edition LE or SE, and/or (Event Name) LE or SE...something that distinguished the cards to show them as special or different compared to the "mass" available edition. |
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Post by on_the_edge on Jun 5, 2022 20:39:42 GMT -5
As the cute little girl in the taco commercial says, "why can't we have both". To me that is how it has been. You have the game aspect for those that want to game but also the collectability on the side for those that want to collect. It broadens the target market and brings in more money for the company. Much in the way you have card/dice side of the game and the digital cards. You can pick one or the other OR pick both as many including myself have. More options are better. The key is keeping them distinct where you do not need both. To me, that is what they have done up to this point and I do not see that changing.
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Post by Travis605 on Jun 5, 2022 20:59:00 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of maybe releasing LE/out of print cards as digital print at home versions. Basically you get one limited, collectable, official, physical run...and then an unlimited anyone can do it, non-collectable, run. I would not have a problem with this... I'd have ZERO issue if a SE was released with, say a specific King Kong Bundy background and after that, it's just the Legends background. I just don't want this to turn into a collectible card game. I would have no problem with this either...although I do have to chuckle because at one point in time (and may be still on the website) Filsinger Games is referred to as a Collectable Card Game. It is not in the "widely accepted definition of "CCGs" but could be construed as such. What you suggest is what I am talking about...different art, different background art, something on the back that say LE #XXX of XXX, or First Edition LE or SE, and/or (Event Name) LE or SE...something that distinguished the cards to show them as special or different compared to the "mass" available edition. Oh I know, I was impressing on your statement, lol |
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Post by chrisn96 on Jun 22, 2022 15:59:51 GMT -5
In all honesty if I were a new player looking at getting into one of the Filsinger game lines knowing there was no way to get all of the playable items I would end up passing for something else. When items that add unique playable content to a game are locked behind con exclusives and LEs it's a big turn off for some people. The best model I have seen that allows for collectable items, but not alienate players is the Fantasy Flight LCG model. They regularly release sets of cards just like Filsinger games does where everyone that buys it gets the same items, but for conventions you can get alternate art variation or preview cards. No one misses any content and collectors still have something to chase.
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Post by chrisn96 on Jun 22, 2022 16:10:08 GMT -5
I would not have a problem with this... I would have no problem with this either...although I do have to chuckle because at one point in time (and may be still on the website) Filsinger Games is referred to as a Collectable Card Game. It is not in the "widely accepted definition of "CCGs" but could be construed as such. What you suggest is what I am talking about...different art, different background art, something on the back that say LE #XXX of XXX, or First Edition LE or SE, and/or (Event Name) LE or SE...something that distinguished the cards to show them as special or different compared to the "mass" available edition. Oh I know, I was impressing on your statement, lol The different Filsinger games would be considered a Living Card Game (LCG) because they have regular releases with no randomization in products. If you and I both buy the same set we get the same cards. A CCG or TCGis a product with randomized distribution. Filsinger games has collectable promos, which are really just limited "sets" where everyone still gets the same thing when bought, but the outside of those is a LCG. |
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Post by Swarm on Jun 22, 2022 19:11:17 GMT -5
In all honesty if I were a new player looking at getting into one of the Filsinger game lines knowing there was no way to get all of the playable items I would end up passing for something else. When items that add unique playable content to a game are locked behind con exclusives and LEs it's a big turn off for some people. The cards are available for the price of a Con ticket. It used to be you had to physically go to a Con. Now you don’t even have to be there at all. Just buy a ticket. I’m trying to spread the word about that w 2 more great cards coming here in a few weeks. |
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Post by Carlzilla on Jun 23, 2022 0:36:12 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just being jaded or something, but not being able to get everything all the time is really just how it works with any niche consumer goods. I also collect obscure CDs and LPs, and just like in that world, things go out of print, it's just how it works. It's not profitable or feasible to keep them in print indefinitely in case some late adopter wants it...it's just how it is. It doesn't detract from the game at all, so sorry, but I'm not sorry when I roll my eyes at the "if I can't get everything, I'd probably just pass over the game entirely..." crowd. I wanted the Sheik, The Kangaroos, and Inoki when I started playing, but they'd gone out of print. I didn't let it ruin the game for me, I just stuck them on the "keep an eye out for these" list...and now I own every one of them, even though it took years for me to score the Hardcore set. Instant gratification, and the feeling that it's owed to you, is just something I can't get behind.
I'm all for things like creating PDFs of limited run cards or something to keep them available, but ultimately if that never happens, it won't ruin the experience for anyone unless that person's sense of entitlement lets it.
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Post by chrisn96 on Jun 23, 2022 10:02:23 GMT -5
It's Fear of Missing Out (FOMO). Board games companies use this when crowd funding games to boost sales by offering items only available during the Kickstarter or GameFound campaign. There are many people that miss a campaign that won't buy a retail version of that game because to them it is not a "complete" game. Honestly Filsinger games is using the same tactic with the Con exclusives. I have no idea who the upcoming exclusives are and I won't be able to attend the virtual con because I'll be at a family reunion so why did I buy a virtual ticket? Because I know they are going to release a couple of cards that I might want and I know this is the best chance to get them. I'm buying something sight unseen on a chance I will miss out on something. Would I live with or without the cards, sure, but I also don't need to have everything for a game to enjoy it. I've found that most items like these don't really add a lot to a game and in some cases even take away from it. The one thing that I don't like seeing from Con exclusives is what they did with Omega. It's one thing to have cards that are for characters that are lesser known or are never mentioned in a game book, but it's another to have a character play a large role in a story and is listed on the roster not to have a readily available card. You can't say that one doesn't detract from playing that set.
For a long time now I felt Fisinger games could benefit from offering print print and play versions of any items that are not going to be reprinted. It almost felt criminal to me that original B/W sets weren't available on the main shop, not COTG Online.
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Post by Swarm on Jun 23, 2022 10:28:47 GMT -5
I won't be able to attend the virtual con because I'll be at a family reunion so why did I buy a virtual ticket? Because I know they are going to release a couple of cards that I might want and I know this is the best chance to get them. Great point, and a good time to remind everybody that Galacticon will feature our GALACTICON EXCLUSIVE GIVEAWAY GAME CARDS (one COTG and one LOW)! And THE ONLY WAY TO GET THEM IS BY PURCHASING A TICKET (Live or Virtual) TO GALACTICON! 👉 *** EVEN IF YOU CANNOT ATTEND YOUR TICKET GUARANTEES YOU THESE CARDS *** 👈 Don’t miss out! Buy your ticket ASAP! 🎟 |
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